3/5 K's Simon AMPS 102; dental, pics, PMPS 286 +4 196

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kim and simon

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It's dental day! And everyone loves dentists! We are off to our appt at 8am central time, consult time is 8:30. I'm not yet sure what time he'll be going under. I will update! I have the little beans squared away (it takes lots of planning and prep to change the schedule around here! Rides to school, sitters. . .phew!) I hope Simon appreciates this. . .something tells me he might question my decision ;-)

We had a lowish pre-shot for two cycles in a row. Just as Simey is getting on board with a nice, flat cycle. . . we are going to mess with it. But I hope the dental will be good in the long run so he'll go down that path we want him to go down ;-)

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By the way, isn't the kitty in this lol pic so cool? My uncle has one like this and it's a Bengal cat.

OT: When you visit your dentist, don't sit down in the chair and say "I HATE DENTISTS!" It hurts our feelings. See 10 Reasons your dentist probably hates you too, written by a dental school friend who has gone on to a new career. Hilarious and true!

ETA: Simon had several extractions and will be getting oral Clavamox. Is there any reason he should also have Convenia? I declined it; vet is concerned. Why do we not want Convenia for our diabetic kitties! Hoping someone will answer while I'm driving down there :smile: :smile:
 
Re: 3/5 Kim's Simon AMPS 102; dental day

Sending lots and lots of good dental vines for Simon. Will be looking for your update, Kim. Sounds like you have a lot going on there this morning.
 
Re: 3/5 Kim's Simon AMPS 102; dental day

Sending good dental vines to Simon.
 
Re: 3/5 Kim's Simon AMPS 102; dental day

Sending good dental vines.

When Simon comes home, get a test when you walk in the door. It will give you a comparison for your PMPS so you know if the anesthesia is lowering numbers. Also, if Simon is starving when you get home, feed in small amounts. Otherwise, you end up with scarf-and-barf due to the way the anesthesia slows GI motility.
 
Re: 3/5 Kim's Simon AMPS 102; dental day

Good dental vines for Simon today - I hope all will go well. Be good Simon - it will be over before you know it.
 
Re: 3/5 Kim's Simon AMPS 102; dental day

He's all dropped off. The vet does all work herself; I like that. The only thing I had to change was to decline convenia. He will get oral clavamox if needed. Pain med would be bupe if needed.
 
Re: 3/5 Kim's Simon AMPS 102; dental day

Thinking of Simon and you today and sending healing energy for a speedy recovery.
Liz, Zener' other mom
 
Re: 3/5 Kim's Simon AMPS 102; dental day

Hi guys .. keeping you in my thoughts that it is an easy dental on simon and momma :-D
 
Re: 3/5 Kim's Simon AMPS 102; dental day

SAFE AND EASY DENTAL VINES FOR SIMONIZER TODAY!

And I can't imagine what it's like being a dentist...
one of the most important and needed professions...but I'm one who is ALWAYS tense at appts.
Loved the link :-D

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Re: 3/5 Kim's Simon AMPS 102; dental day

Simon is out of surgery and everything went well. He actually had a lot of problem teeth that had to be extracted (both FORLs and perio abscesses), so I am glad we did the dental. I'm also glad we used the dental specialist this time! Her descriptions of what was wrong and what she did made great sense and made me feel like Simon got good treatment. I am heading out to pick him up here in a bit. I hope I'll get to look at his x-rays and have a dental geek moment with the vet! It is interesting to learn the differences between species.

Kim
 
Re: EYES, 3/5 Kim's Simon AMPS 102; need quick info Re CONVE

Good news that everything went well. Getting rid of those teeth will be much better in the long run.
Liz
 
Re: EYES, 3/5 Kim's Simon AMPS 102; need quick info Re CONVE

Here is Dr. Pierson's opinion of Covenia.

http://catinfo.org/?link=convenia
Briefly; it is because it stays in the system for a very long time. If your kitty has problems or adverse reactions you cannot get it out of his system. Normal a/b are much shorter-lived and if there were bad reactions you could stop giving it and the drug would be out of the kitty's system quickly. Not so with Convenia.

Obviously not all kitties would have bad reactions. But you just never know.
 
Re: EYES, 3/5 Kim's Simon AMPS 102; need quick info Re CONVE

Thanks. I think we will stay with our choice to skip the convenia! Say a little prayer Simon will let me give him his meds:)
 
Re: EYES, 3/5 Kim's Simon AMPS 102; need quick info Re CONVE

Sending lots of quick recovery vines to Simon. I'm amazed at how easy it was to give Tess her Clavamox in Pill Pockets. Pinch off enough to just cover the pill and roll into a ball, make a couple of extra small balls too. By the time she gets to the PP w/ the pill inside she is just swallowing it whole. I haven't had a single problem. Also on the Bupe, ask if they can fill pre-dosed syringes for you, it is much easier to just squirt the whole thing into the cheek pocket than to try to control the dose and a struggling cat.
 
Re: 3/5 Kim's Simon AMPS 102; post surg (+7) 154; home now

We are home. He had some acepromazine before surgery due to being "strongly oppositional," so his eyes look drugged out with the third eyelids up. Kinda sad, kinda funny. He refuses to relax in the nice, soft spot I made him; he prefers to sit on a cardboard box. :-D

We have clavamox drops which are pretty easy to give him, along with the buprenex in preloaded syringes for pain.

He had 9 incisors and 2 upper first premolars extracted. The bone in his incisor areas on both upper and lower was very poorly supplied with blood and the areas were in bad shape. The premolars both had abscesses.
 
Re: 3/5 Kim's Simon AMPS 102; post surg (+7) 154; home now

Glad to hear that Simon is home. He'll feel better without those problem teeth, but it may take a few days! Enjoy your nice, comfy box, Simon and get in some good cat naps this afternoon.

Sending lots of mouth-healing vines,

Ella & Rusty

Hang in there, Simon, my pal. You won't even miss those bad teeth. I only have 6 teeth left and I do fine.
Rusty
 
Re: 3/5 Kim's Simon AMPS 102; post surg (+7) 154; home now

wow, that's actually a lot of problem teeth, and having them out and healing might have an awesome impact on his BG's - which already are pretty good.

glad it all went ok - chuckled at your "dental geek moment" with the vet! :lol:

i do what ann described - throw some plain pill pocket balls to "prime the pump" and then they don't even notice the difference with the ones loaded with a pill. we is sneaky beans. :lol:
 
Re: 3/5 Kim's Simon AMPS 102; post surg (+7) 154; home now

He insists on sitting up like this! He won't lie down and rest! Silly kitty, cuddle up in one of the many cat beds at this house and CRASH! His eyes still look woozy. It's like he's trying to sleep sitting up. He has been eating small portions periodically, and I think he's doing ok.
 

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Re: 3/5 Kim's Simon AMPS 102; post surg (+7) 154; back home

awwwww! What a sweetie .. lots and lots of get well soon thoughts headed his way! Mocha had 8 teeth extracted on her dental and was just fine the next day .. wishing the same for simon!
 
Re: 3/5 Kim's Simon AMPS 102; post op/+7 154; pics; +10 295

+10 is 295. Yowza! Is this due to the effects of anesthesia and my reduced a.m. shot? He hasn't seen a number like that in a LOOONG time.
 
Re: 3/5 Kim's Simon AMPS 102; post op/+7 154; pics; +10 295

The number isn't the result of anesthesia -- anesthesia drops number. It is probably due to a combination of vet stress and pain. Let's see what the PMPS looks like. If Simon's numbers are coming down, be careful they don't plummet.

Has he eaten? With that number of extractions, his mouth is likely to be sore so I would see that he will eat before your shoot. The last thing you want is dropping numbers and a cat that won't eat. If you have any baby food (Gerber stage 2 or Beechnut -- no onions or carby veg, just protein and broth) is usually a favorite.

You might want to get some FortiFlora or other probiotic since Simon will be on ABs. Many cats get diarrhea from the ABs.

Some cats get agitated with narcotics. That may be why Simon is sitting on a box vs. sleeping. He may do better in a quiet spot with low lighting.
 
Re: 3/5 Kim's Simon AMPS 102; post op/+7 154; pics; +10 295

He's eating well; he's asking for more even! Earlier he was kind of smashing his nose in the food because he was still woozy. He did much better at dinner. I may be able to get some baby food later. I already shot. . .should have re-checked the condo first. But I have time on my hands to watch him tonight :)

Thanks for all the well wishes today! Let's see how the evening shapes up! We adjusted a little in the cycles before dental day to get our a.m. shot a little earlier today, so we are somewhat positioned for daylight savings! BONUS!

His extractions were all little teeth--I'm still giving the Bupe--but it seems he might not need the whole number of days I was given. We'll see. I hope he decides to lie down and rest soon! I think he was also HUNGRY!
 
Re: 3/5 Kim's Simon AMPS 102; post op/+7 154; pics; +10 295

So glad he's eating well! I got a bit of the funny/sad mental picture of him smashing his nose in his food. Poor little dude! Bless his heart; hope his pain isn't so bad. Y'all have a good evening- I hope it's not too exciting!
 
Re: 3/5 Kim's Simon AMPS 102; post op/+7 154; pics; +10 295

DH just got home and I think I'm in big twouble mister. . .I was raised in a home where my mom got radioactive iodine tx for a hyperthyroid cat. His family wasn't like that. . .they were more of the PTS type of family. Let's just say the price for a basic dental was way increased by 11 extractions, pain meds, and antibiotics!

My DH is wonderful and he puts up with my crazy cat lady behavior. AND he loves me anyway :)

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Re: 3/5 Kim's Simon AMPS 102; post op/+7 154; pics; +10 295

I am so glad to hear that Simon did ok today with all the teeth extractions....ouch! I'm sure the bupe will really help with his pain. I'm sure his bg numbers will go down once the stress from being at the vet wears off and his pain is better.

Isn't the price of dentals for cats just crazy?? I don't think I ever told my DH how much Simon's dental was with his extractions. I kind of just lied :-D
 
Re: 3/5 Kim's Simon AMPS 102;dental; pics; PMPS 286

Wow...that's a lot of extractions! I'm glad Simon is feeling good tonight. Hopefully he's finally decided to rest a little!

Yep, Trix's dental took care of our tax refund in very short order last year - and she only had 7 extractions!

Have a relaxing eveing...feel better, Simon!
 
Re: 3/5 Kim's Simon AMPS 102;dental; pics; PMPS 286

So glad the dental went well. Wow on 11 extractions. Are there any left? :lol: The things we do for our fur babies. I have a lab with $10k knees. :oops: I haven't even bothered to add up Tarragon's FD cost. We don't want to know. Hope you all have a great night!
 
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I just don't understand the PTS attitude. If a child broke an arm or needed braces, you'd make sure that only the best medical treatment was provided. The thought of euthanizing a human, even for something like ALS, is met with a huge reaction. But, people will consider PTS for a cat with a for a bad tooth? I find that more than a little scary.
 
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Sienne and Gabby said:
I just don't understand the PTS attitude. If a child broke an arm or needed braces, you'd make sure that only the best medical treatment was provided. The thought of euthanizing a human, even for something like ALS, is met with a huge reaction. But, people will consider PTS for a cat with a for a bad tooth? I find that more than a little scary.
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We don't feel that way, but his parents didn't do heroics for pets. But they also didn't have the means to do so. He's the first in his family to have gone to college, and he completed professional school! Don't worry, Simey is in good hands :)
 
Re: 3/5 Kim's Simon AMPS 102;dental; pics; PMPS 286

I think I have enough tests to see he's not going too low too fast. . .right? I am going to leave some meals in the auto feeder. I think he is acting better now that his last dose of bupe has worn off. . .I guess I should give it to him anyway. He was acting so odd, just sitting there all day and never resting! But I also hate for him to hurt. . .he is eating. He sat on my lap and purred. But he just doesn't seem to want to rest.
 
Re: bupe ?3/5 K's Simon AMPS 102; dental, pics, PMPS 286 +4

maybe a little smaller of a dose of bupe. punkin is getting .2ml and he weighs about 13lbs.

what's the bupe dose?

poor little guy. sleeping sitting up! sounds awful.
 
Re: bupe ?3/5 K's Simon AMPS 102; dental, pics, PMPS 286 +4

I didn't mean to imply it was your family with that attitude. I was speaking in general.

If the bupe is making Simon restless, ask your vet for a different pain med. Simon really does need to sleep and some cats do have an adverse reaction to opiates. I'm trying to see if Marje has any info since one of her cats does not do well with opiates.
 
Re: bupe ?3/5 K's Simon AMPS 102; dental, pics, PMPS 286 +4

The dose is .1cc every 10 hours. Simon weighs 12.8 lb. He had a dose at 2pm. I was thinking of staying up another hour and giving him half of that amount. They are in preloaded syringes, but I can just give half. He doesn't really seem alarmed at all anymore--and I think he may be doing better. It could have been the acepromazine making him act that way as well--that was given at about 9am central--now it is 10:30pm. Apparently he was giving them a very hard time and he needed a little ace to chill out :smile:
 
Re: bupe ?3/5 K's Simon AMPS 102; dental, pics, PMPS 286 +4

You do not need to stay up on my account! I think we are not in unsafe territory.
 
Re: bupe ?3/5 K's Simon AMPS 102; dental, pics, PMPS 286 +4

in regards to your question about punkin - we just started him on bupe maybe a week ago. he is diabetic because he has a tumor in his pituitary gland. it's called acromegaly, or in people it is sometimes called Gigantism. it causes too much growth hormone and that makes their bodies grow. it can be painful, plus punkin's tumor is large. we had him treated at Colorado State University last September for it, but the process is slow. anyway, that's why he's on it - i suspect he has headaches sometimes. we also get acupuncture for him.

talk about the million dollar cat! it's one of those things that if you had the total bill at the beginning you might choose differently, but one thing at a time you just keep going. i went back to work to support my punkin habit! :lol: but i don't regret it. we love our little guy.

ok, back to the topic. that doesn't seem like too much, but as sienne said, if he can't sleep maybe it would be better to get something else. i don't know. you could phone your vet and ask.
 
Re: bupe ?3/5 K's Simon AMPS 102; dental, pics, PMPS 286 +4

What an exhausting day you and Simon have had! I'm so glad the dental went well. I hope he can sleep tonight and be good as new tomorrow. Have a good night, Kim.
 
Re: bupe ?3/5 K's Simon AMPS 102; dental, pics, PMPS 286 +4

Kim

I'm sorry I missed the dental today but am glad it went well. Poor Simon...that is a lot of teeth.

The bupe dose he is getting is pretty minimal for a cat his size. My Gus gets .1ml (.1cc) bupe bid and he weighs 9.5 lbs so a lot smaller than Simon. The range of dose of bupe is pretty big...Gus could have more than twice the amount I am giving him but this dose keeps him comfy.

I'm wondering if it is the anesthesia that is causing him to act that way. Did she just use isofluorane gas? If she used something else like ketamine, it could still be in his system. Of the different pain meds I've used, I like the bupe the best. Tramadol made my cats really hyper but none of them have had a reaction to bupe.

I hope he feels so much better tomorrow and that he rests tonight (and you too, Kim).
 
Re: bupe ?3/5 K's Simon AMPS 102; dental, pics, PMPS 286 +4

Anesthesia was propofol induction with Sevoflurane gas. So I am thinking that should all be out of his system. I think Simon is ok. I'm going to go ahead and give the Bupe! Thanks to all for helping me out and giving us all the vines and well wishes and prayers.

Mommy's gotta rest now too!
 
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