2/28 Lucian PMPS 299,+3/329,+5/243,+7/227

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nckitties3

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Alright, I'm a little concerned. nailbite_smile I got up almost 2 hrs ago, the food I left out last night was gone, but I don't know when or if Lucian ate any of it, but he won't even eat his treats this morning and he'd kill for those!

Thankfully he's not 600+, but he's still very high. I'm hoping, maybe, he'll feel a little better when his insulin kicks in and eat. But usually he eats more when high. :sad: The fact that he won't eat his treats has me worried, he'll eat those even if he just finished a meal. :sad:

Thoughts, advice???
 
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He's not on anything else that might make him feel nausous, right?
 
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No nothing and eating hasn't ever been a problem until now. Although he won't eat any type of human food, meat, etc. So no chance of that being an option. Except Ham, let me try that. brb
 
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He won't eat ham either and that's a shock, he was about to take my hand off yesterday for my sandwich when I gave him a nibble. He loves ham!
 
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If he doesn't eat by noon, I'm calling the vet. With everything he's been thru, eating was never an issue.
 
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I've tried his treats, his regular food, ham and 8% 9 Lives tuna that I've had since before he was dx'd, he won't even lick anything and he likes/loves them all. Something is not right. nailbite_smile

Right or wrong, I gave him his insulin, he's too high not to, IMO. Now I have to get him to eat!
 
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Not eating is a big concern! See if you can get a ketone test on him as soon as kitty and humanly possible. Another trick to get them to eat is warming up the food in the microwave so it is nice and stinky.

Come On Lucian Eat Your Nom Noms for Momma!

Mel, Maxwell, Autumn & The Fur Gang
 
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His food was room temp, I just opened it and I don't put it in the fridge anyway, they don't like it. Besides, it's never around more than 4 hrs, I go thru several a day. I'll try it, but when his 2 favorite things in the world won't tempt him, I kinda doubt it. The treats and the ham?? Normally, he'll take your arm off for either of them! nailbite_smile

He does not feel well, for some reason. He's very lethargic and just wants to stay in his bed. He didn't fight me for the test, even though I had to take time to warm his ear and he just stood there for his shot, wouldn't eat the tuna I put down to keep him occupied while I shot him.
 
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I warmed the tuna and added a little water, since it was too warm. No go.

I can't get a ketone test until he goes to the LB........I just don't get it! He was fine last night and eating normally before I went to bed. :cry:

Even the week at the vets, he 'ate like a trooper' she said and most cats don't eat well at the vets.

With his numbers do you think there is any chance he dropped real low last night and doesn't feel well today? I really doubt it, what do you think Mel?
 
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I don't either hon, but they can turn so quickly. That is the problem with cats is that they hide pain and illness so well that most of the time we don't see it coming until its serious but not eating is serious because if he starts dropping too low you aren't going to be able to bring him up with food. If he doesn't start eating for you by lunch, then I would see if you can get him to the vet's.

Mel, Maxwell, Autumn & The Fur Gang
 
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If he doesn't eat by lunch, he will be going to the vet. I paid my mastercard $200 when I got my income tax refund earlier this month, so I have a little space there, it was almost maxed out with his earlier vet bill.

I am so worried. I have fought too hard for him for the last 2 months to lose him to some other BS! :-x
 
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Ketones Negative, thank God!

I put all his food options near him, no luck, a sniff and he walked away. I did see him lick his chops once, doesn't that normally mean nausea? He seems a little wobbly, but I don't know if it's any more than normally. He's been a little wobbly for a long time. :sad:
 
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Hey Mel, knowing you're busy, I posted on Health for instructions on syringe feeding. He's going to need something, with his insulin kicking in.

With your zoo and all the things you have to take care of, I didn't want to overload you. :-D
 
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Yes, lip licking is a sign of nausea, wondering if his tummy is still upset from the other day....Whew thank God for a negative ketone test so we can eliminate him trying to go into DKA. Now to figure out why he isn't eating. Before the vet trip, try running out and getting some regular pepscid or even the generic Famotidine. If you can find it you want the 10mg ones and you can give him 1/2 of a tablet, if the only ones you can find are the 20mg ones then he can have 1/4 of a tablet.

There is just so much right now that could be going on and since he can't talk and tell us we are just going to have to eliminate what it isn't at this point. So far we know it isn't DKA since no ketones...but it could be pancreatist do you know if they ever tested him for that when original had him in? That would explain the high numbers and now the not wanting to eat. P-titis is very painful and will upset their tummies and also vomit like he did the other day. There is a specific test for it, so they would have had to run that test for it, it won't show up on normal bloodwork.

Mel, Maxwell, Autumn & The Fur Gang
 
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I don't know if he was tested for that. For $800 you'd think they'd test for everything under the sun! :-x

He didn't throw up, he had the 'squirts' and I don't think he had a BM yesterday. Not sure. But when it happens to me, I usually won't 'go' the next day, since I'm empty from the previous day. ;-)

Can I give him Zantac, that I already have, it is an acid reducer just like Tagamet, do you know if cats can have it or do I need to google it?

His insulin should be kicking in, I need to get something in him. :sad:
 
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I am here with you sweetie and I will stay with you. Will he lick food off your fingers? Sometimes when they won't eat on their own out of a dish they will eat if you finger feed them. If not then to syringe feed you will need an oral syringe, and a blender. Take his food, toss in blender with water, puree until it is about the same consistancy as a thin milkshake, load the syringe, put it behind his back teeth and slowly give him the food. You don't want to go too fast so he doesn't choke.

Mel, Maxwell, Autumn & The Fur Gang
 
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In making him something to syringe feed, should I mix it half reg food and half high carb, since he's eating nothing? I'm concerned about the insulin and would rather he be high than bottom out.
 
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I honestly don't know hon on the Zantac I know Pepscid is safe but not sure on the other let me see if I can google it and find out.
Just his regular food for now

Mel, Maxwell, Autumn & The Fur Gang
 
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I tried to hand feed him, rubbed a little juice on his mouth, no luck. Now I'm crying. Dammit just when I thought we were getting somewhere.
 
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Okay Zantac is safe...dose is 1mg per pound of cat. Got to love having a great vet that is also your high school classmate and friend...means I can call her home phone before office hours.

Mel, Maxwell, Autumn & The Fur Gang
 
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OK, I mixed it half reg food and half tuna, not the tuna that gave him the squirts, or the one I suspect, but the 9 lives that he's eaten for yrs. I made it very thin in the blender.

My syringe is 6ml, I got about 5 in him, 1 ON him and stopped to give it a chance to settle.

After a couple minutes, I set the bowl down in front of him and he started drinking it! He has drank at least 2-3 oz of the water/food that I syringed into him and is washing his face! WTF!

He's in there making bread in his box! JHC I dunno what's going on with him!
 
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HUGE SIGH OF RELIEF!!!! Sometimes they just want what they want...Cats gotta love them, but boy they can give you grey hair.

Mel, Maxwell, Autumn & The Fur Gang
 
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I don't get it! It's like he decided it tasted good and went for it. He wouldn't even eat his treats tho.

We'll see if it stays down and I'll check his BG in about an hr.
 
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Sometimes that is all it takes to get them to eat again is to remind them it tastes good. Or maybe he just decided that he wanted something different today. :roll:

Mel, Maxwell, Autumn & The Fur Gang
 
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That's different alright! :lol: I have 4 open cans in there, I tried every flavor I have at the moment.

Planned to go get more food today anyway, but not going anywhere until I know he's ok. I'll go when he actually eats something solid and keeps it down. Still don't know about that yet, but he hasn't vomited any.
 
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Oh how well I know that one, I have one little civie that will love a food one meal and turn up her nose the next. She scares the sh*t out of me on a regular basis. Wondering if he still just had a little bit of an upset tummy this morning. But the fact that he is purring and making bread is a good sign. Cats will purr when they don't feel good but it is a different sounding purr than their normal one, and they seldom make biscuits if they are sick.

Mel, Maxwell, Autumn & The Fur Gang
 
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OMG what a mess I had in the kitchen! :o I had tried to use my mini food processor and it wouldn't get the liquid smooth enough for the syringe, so I drug out the blender and poured it in there. That's the ticket! Smooth as water! But I was just throwing stuff in there and when I walked in just now, I realized it! :lol: EWWW! what a mess!
All cleaned now. :-D

I keep checking on him, so far it's staying down. Keeping fingers crossed.

Oh and thank you for checking on the zantac, it's something I always have because of my gall stones, but I think I will pick up some tagamet next time I'm at the store, just to have on hand. It never worked well for me, where zantac does.

Lord, I got the shakes! whew! Come on Lucian, don't do that to momma! :sad:

Still can't figure out why he wouldn't touch ANYTHING, not even his liver treats that he loves so much. I can see the finicky tastebuds and not wanting something specific, but he wouldn't touch his favorites, that has me perplexed.
 
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I'm wondering if he might have a tooth bothering him. Vet said his teeth were fine, but I noticed, when I was syringing him, that his lower left canine (I think, the big ones on the corners?) has the top broke off it. The point is missing. Not much, but still......Maybe if he had something in his mouth hurting, he wouldn't want to eat. I've been there. :sad: and when I syringed him, he realized he could 'drink' without it bothering him.......maybe?

His ears aren't hot, they get hot when they're fevered right? I need to get a thermometer for the cats, to have on hand. Would a digital one work, there're faster and have the disposable sleeves.
 
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LOL I actually had to repaint my bedroom after I finally stopped testing Maxwell, Musette and Autumn on my bed...lol Otherwise it would still look like a CSI crime scene.

And yep the few times I have had to syringe feed my kitchen was an unholy mess afterwards.

Mel, Maxwell, Autumn & The Fur Gang
 
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You know that could be a thought, Autumn and Maxwell ate fine before their dentals but then again I always make everyone's food soupy. It is always 1/4 can of warm water to 1/2 can of food.

Mel, Maxwell, Autumn & The Fur Gang
 
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I added this up above:

His ears aren't hot, they get hot when they're fevered right? I need to get a thermometer for the cats, to have on hand. Would a digital one work, there're faster and have the disposable sleeves?

What do you think?

Yeah, I can't believe what the kitchen looked like! I didn't think about it when I was tossing stuff everywhere. :lol: All I knew was that I had to make something for him, whatever it took.
 
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Yep ears will be hot with a fever...

Their purr will have a 'death rattle' to it if sick, and they won't make biscuits

You know I'm wondering if the diarhea just had him feeling icky too, I know I don't feel like eating much afterwards either almost like I'm afraid to eat because I don't want to start the cramps allover again.

Not sure about the digital thermometer...I need to get a pet one myself. Really need to one of these days to put together a kitty first aid kit

Mel, Maxwell, Autumn & The Fur Gang
 
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The bowel issue (can't spell diarhea) was night before last, he was fine yesterday. Makes no sense. :sad:

So far so good, he's keeping it down. :thumbup
 
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Hopefully it was just a bump in the road and he is over it now and will eat from here on out, but I think if he was mine I would keep him on a soupy mix for now. I know mine are all so use to it if I put food down that doesn't have water mixed in they look at me like I have 3 heads. :lol: And I have to pick it back up, add water before they will touch it.

Mel, Maxwell, Autumn & The Fur Gang
 
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I usually add water a couple times a day and feed straight a couple times. I want to make sure they get enough water but that they are able to eat it too, since they don't seem to get much solid when I add water and that bothers me, that they leave the solids and only drink the water. :sad:
 
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With mine I don't give them that option I mix the water in and mush it up so much that if they lap it for the water they get the food...lol Its more catfood gravy that food anymore. When I feed everyone lunch later I'll get a picture and post it of what their plates look like. :-D

Mel, Maxwell, Autumn & The Fur Gang
 
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He ate 6 pieces of treats and is drinking more of the blended food/water. He probably drank at least another ounce of it. He's now licking his chops a lot. Either it's nausea or a mouth issue, maybe a tooth.

If he can just hold on until I get my 1st WC check, I'll take him in and see if he might need a dental. I'll be able to afford the little extra then. I can do it now, if I have to, but I'd rather wait and not run up the credit card again.

The only way I could get him to get the solids in too, would be to use the blender, which I CAN do, if need be.

Come on Lucian, work with momma! :sad:

You put it on a plate don't you? Maybe they would get more solid if I didn't put it in a bowl.
 
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Hi Debbie :) We're new to RL, so I wanted to pop in and say "hi." Looks like you've had a stressful morning! I hope Lucian starts feeling better and his appy returns to normal. I'd still take him to the vet if that is possible, if he were my kitty, just to rule out any other issues. How is his LB? Is everything normal with his poo and pee?
 
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Hi hon, thank you for asking about us. :-D

Lucian is doing better, scared me to death this morning. I really can't take him in, if it is at all avoidable. I almost maxed out my only credit card with his last trip and have only paid about 25% of that off. I will use it if I have to.

You've obviously read the condo, so you know what's going on. As much as I know anyway. I am waiting.......if I feel he can wait, fine, if not, he goes. I'm not in a position to run him for everything, I'm unemployed and waiting on my Worker's Comp checks to kick in. But trust me, if I feel it is needed, he WILL go. And if he doesn't go now, he will go as soon as I get my 1st check, to see if they can figure out what is up and if he needs dental. I can only do what I can, when I can and I hate it, but that's the way it is right now. I would take him in the next couple days, before I would wait and have to go the ER on a Sunday, too expensive. So I would have to be confident to wait that long and risk an ER visit.

I check on him every few minutes and he seems like he feels a little better, with his BG's down some and something in his tummy. I'm not going anywhere until I'm confident he can be alone for an hr or 2. At least he is grooming, making biscuits in his bed :-D and generally acts like he's feeling better.

I measured the bowl I had used for his syringe feeding and it held right at 5 oz.......he drank all but 1 tablespoon, I measured what was left. I feel better about him right now, we'll see how he does the rest of the day.

Thanks again!
 
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If he is grooming, purring and makin biscuits he is more than likely fine for now. It could be that the last few days of hitting those blues and holding them for awhile just made him feel weird. The rollercoaster can't feel good and could have upset his tummy some.

Yep mine get fed on ceramic pie plates so they have to lick it up and can't just suck off the juice. Well except for the 4 piggies that eat in their respective crates, they get dessert bowls, but getting them to eat is never a problem and thus the reason they have to eat in their "boxes"...lol. If they didn't they would be the size of the dog and no one else would get to eat.

Mel, Maxwell, Autumn & The Fur Gang
 
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I understand completely... I am carrying around quite a bit of debt from my boy's vet visits and meds. Have you thought about applying for financial aid? There is the LLEF (Lantus Land Emergency Fund) and DCIN (Diabetic Cats in Need) that offer financial support to eligible members in terms of vet and medication costs. Check out this link: http://fdmb-cin.blogspot.com/ They might be able to help you financially so that you won't need to make decisions based on your pocketbook. We all know how expensive it is, and the cost isn't just monetary... there are huge tolls on time, and sanity, too! :lol:

When I asked about LB, I meant litterbox action. Is Lucian peeing and pooing normally? If he hasn't had a bowel movement lately, then that generates more cause for concern. He may be constipated (which can cause lack of appetite) or have something more serious going on. It might be a good idea to start a log or keep record of his behavior and his LB action. If you keep track of these things, then it might give you some insight into what's going on with him. It might seem gross, but it's also a good idea to keep notes on what the bowel movements are like... hard, soft, diarrhea, big, small... etc.
 
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Sorry I missed your LB question. ohmygod_smile Night before last, I gave him about 1/4 of 5.5oz can of 8% tuna and 30 min later, he had very loose stools. I don't know if he had a bowel movement yesterday, but figured probably not, considering what happened the night before. He is normally very regular with no problems.

To everybody :lol: Maybe, just maybe, I might have an idea why he didn't feel well this morning. I've been wracking my brain and the only thing I can think of, I gave him a few small bits of ham last night. He loves ham, I found out about a month ago, but he hadn't had any since then and only had 1 little piece then. Last night was the 2nd time he had ever had any. Maybe those few little pieces upset his tummy?

Maybe.........I'm watching him closely. Took his temp, no fever. 99.8

So I'm waiting. @-)
 
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I forgot about the ham....yeah that could do it, ham and pork in general can be very rich on their tummies thus why you never see pork flavored cat food. <head slap> plus if it is the presliced deli sandwich meats it can have all kinds of other stuff in it, like sugar water.

Mel, Maxwell, Autumn & The Fur Gang
 
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Well it wasn't 'honey' ham but just about all ham is sugar cured, except 'country' ham. The ham has 1 gram of carbs per slice, he might have had 1/4 slice, so even though the carbs are low, like you said, it may be too rich for his system. I'm hoping that's all it is. :sad:

I'm going to test again in about 20 min, his +6 and see where we are on BG and I have made him some 'cat food gravy' in the blender, 1/4 of a 5.5oz can and 4 Tablespoons of water, to a nice gravy consistency. Not as thin as this morning, but a smooth consistency like brown gravy. If he eats/drinks that ok, I think I'll go ahead and make a store run, down to the last 3 cans of food and they're all open from this morning. :o

Lawd! what a day! I'm ill from drinking 7 cups of coffee, back to back, and not eating. ohmygod_smile Made some toast, tummy settling down a bit. No more coffee for me today!
 
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219 - I can handle that. :-D

He's drinking his gravy, we'll see how much he takes in.
 
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He had a few licks of the gravy, but is eating a little 9 Lives tuna.......yay! Solid food! flip_cat
 
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Dang! The water is off, must be working on something in the building. Not going anywhere right now!

Lucian ate about 2 teaspoons of tuna, licked the bowl clean. Probably would have eaten more, but I'm not giving more, don't want to push it. Gave him a couple treats.

Whew! What a day! @-)
 
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Still no water. :-x Had to sit here with a nail file, trying to get cat food out from under my nails. EWWW!

Wish they'd hurry up, I want to go to the store and get it over with, but would like to freshen up a bit first. :YMSIGH:
 
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That is the one blessing of owning our own house, I know when and how long water will be off. On days like that I go to Walmart...I figure no matter how bad I look, I still look better than 80% of the Walmart patrons...lol.

Sort of like going to the public pool in the summer, no matter how bad you feel about your own body, you will still see people that look far worse. :lol: :lol:

Mel, Maxwell, Autumn & The Fur Gang
 
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