2/2 Rex PMPS 372 +1 339 +2 153 + 129

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RichNW & Rex

RichNW & Rex

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Good Morning FDMB - Hoping For Smooooooother Curves

@ +2 Rex was at 123 so gave him 1 tsp LC wet to slow down the drop. Will check again @ +2.5

Hope everyone has a great weekend!!
 
Re: 2/2/ Rex AMPS 255 +1 302 +2 221 +3 123 +3.5 78

Rex is following Neko into the green light. :lol:

Gave him 2 more tsps Purina DM can. Slow down Kitty Rex. Slow Down My Little Boy!!!!!!

Check again in 30 minutes.
 
Re: 2/2/ Rex AMPS 255 +1 302 +2 221 +3 123 +3.5 78

Great job, Rich. :smile:
 
Re: 2/2/ Rex AMPS 255 +1 302 +2 221 +3 123 +3.5 78

Nice cycle for Rex today. :mrgreen: I wonder if this is partly from the lower carb food he got for breakfast.
 
Re: 2/2 Rex AMPS +3 123(1tspLC) +3.5 78(2tspLC) +4 71(1tspLC

Rex's nadir is usually @ +4.

Looks like his free fall has slowed way down. Gave him 1 more tsp of LC Purina DM wet to nudge. Will test in 30 minutes.

Also NO Symptoms - Normal activity.
 
Re: 2/2 Rex AMPS+3.5 78(2tspLC) +4 71(1tspLC) +4.5 59(2tspLC

Hmmmm - We are not there yet.

Gave him 2 more tsps. No Symptoms. But his coughing started again for a little bit (again seeing vet tomorrow @ 1000am).

Will test again in 30 minutes.
 
Re: 2/2 Rex AMPS+4 71(1tspLC) +4.5 59(2tspLC) +5 56(2tspLC)

BG still going down. +5 56 gave 2 tsps Purina DM wet

** Could this be due to the change in food. I know the Merrick is his cals from protein. (night need to go back to Purina and then ease into Merrick).

At this point he has had 1/2 can Merrick and 5/8 can Purina DM.

** Retest 30 minutes. I can feel a bounce from this.

*** Anyone able to chime in????
 
Re: 2/2 Rex AMPS+4.5 59(2tspLC) +5 56(2tspLC)

Rich,
Which flavor of Merrick's is it?
 
Re: 2/2 Rex AMPS+4.5 59(2tspLC) +5 56(2tspLC)

Thanks,

The CC is listed at 5%, and the DM is listed as 3% carbs. I suppose it might make a difference depending on how carb sensitive Rex is. But I know that Dr. P. has told us not to get too hung up on the specific numbers on the charts. They aren't "exact". A good analogy if you think about the size of the "lot size" when they make the stuff...
Suppose you make a big huge batch of chili, and you put all sort of yummy stuff in it. Then you decide to freeze it for later, in single serving freezer bowls. One bowl is going to have more meat, and another is going to have more tomatoes and beans. So the carb content of the the two bowls isn't going to be the same, right? But overall, your recipe for the chili might say "X carbs or calories per serving". That would logically be just an average estimate per serving.

Same with the cat food. They have these big huge vats, probably, of the "mixture" and then it's machine fed into cans. The percentages of the ingredients aren't going to be exactly the same, but the "recipe" would estimate the carbs/fats/protiens and calories based on the overall contents.

Make sense?

Carl
 
Re: 2/2 Rex AMPS+4.5 59(2tspLC) +5 56(2tspLC)

Hi Carl,

Makes total sense. Suggestions?

Thinking about possible a slower/gradual switch from Purina DM to Merrick CC. Let his body get use to the difference in the food chemistry. :-D

Does this sound logical?
 
Re: 2/2 Rex AMPS+4.5 59(2tspLC) +5 56(2tspLC) +5.5 69

** Good news his BG has turned. Will check in 30 minutes to make sure it is not JUST a food spike.

But since he has eaten so much food, I am sure we will spike/bounce tonight. Grrr Lesson Learned about Rex's body.

Plan:
To return back to Purina DM and gradually switch over to Merrick CC. Let Rex get use to the new food chemistry. (NO REDUCTION)
 
Re: 2/2 Rex AMPS+4.5 59(2tspLC) +5 56(2tspLC)

Yes,
Sounds logical :smile:

The other big difference between the two is calories per can and the protien/fat ratio. Merricks is higher protien and fewer calories. I guess that makes sense if the extra calories from the Purina come from the higher fat content? I know cats can turn both fats and proteins into glucose for energy (which is why they don't need carbohydrates at all in their food). But just from "human thinking", I guess I'd have to think protein is better than fat?

Carl
 
Re: 2/2 Rex AMPS+4.5 59(2tspLC) +5 56(2tspLC) +5.5 69

But since he has eaten so much food, I am sure we will spike/bounce tonight. Grrr Lesson Learned about Rex's body.
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Rich, just wanted to give you some input on this.
Kitties don't bounce from the food, or larger than normal amounts of food. The boost in BGs from canned food is pretty short-lived. A couple hours maybe?

The "bounce" is due to the numbers going lower than the cat's body is used to. (These numbers do NOT have to be in any way dangerously low. A cat who is used to being in the 300s all the time is most likely going to see a 150 as "low".) It causes the pancreas and liver to react like "whoa, this is low BG, lets dump some sugar into the bloodstream to stop the drop". The liver ends up dumping glycogen converted into glucose into the bloodstream, along with counter-regulatory hormones. End result, BG shoots higher. That's a "bounce". It's instinctive, and about the only way to avoid it is for the cat's BG to never drop down to the point where the liver "panics". Of course, we don't really want to do that, because it's the low numbers, the ones in the normal BG range, that allow the kitty to heal.

So we just "live with the bounces". How long? ECID. "Kitties bounce until they don't". And it's not really a big deal. We just need to be aware it happens, and then when we see really high numbers after a dip into lower numbers, we understand what it is and why it happened.

So if Rex does give you bouncy numbers later, it'll be due to the green 50s and not due to whatever you feed him to raise his numbers.

Carl
 
Re: 2/2 Rex AMPS+4.5 59(2tspLC) +5 56(2tspLC) +5.5 69

Carl, Thanks for the great information. I understand now. :)

Everyday something new. :)
 
Re: 2/2 Rex AMPS+4.5 59(2tspLC) +5 56(2tspLC) +5.5 69

Fantastic!

And the 69 looks good too. It's great when you can do this, and keep him in the double digits for a good portion of a cycle. The longer he stays between 50-99, the more used to "normal" numbers he'll become. And the less often he'll bounce off of them. Or at least he won't bounce as high.

Carl
 
Re: 2/2 Rex AMPS+4.5 59 +5 56 +5.5 69 +6 72 +7 86

Hey FDMB,

Just took +7 and up again 86.
??? Think he should be good for the next few hours, give him break from testing till PMPS?
 
Re: 2/2 Rex AMPS+4.5 59 +5 56 +5.5 69 +6 72 +7 86

I think so. Nice day for Rex!

Carl
 
Re: 2/2 Rex AMPS+4.5 59 +5 56 +5.5 69 +6 72 +7 86 QUESTION?

What a great cycle! When you consider what Rex's numbers were like 10 days ago, this is fantastic. You did great steering the curve, as well.
 
Re: 2/2 Rex AMPS+4.5 59 +5 56 +5.5 69 +6 72 +7 86 PMPS 372

Gave Rex's ears a break since his BG was on the up swing from +7.

Dinner was 5/8 can of Purina DM wet. Wanted him stabilized.

Food Conversion Reset:
Will introduce an additional 1/8 can of Merrick every 2 day. (ultimately increasing to 1.5 cans but same calories)
 
Re: 2/2 Rex AMPS+4.5 59 +5 56 +5.5 69 +6 72 +7 86 PMPS 372

Great job today, Rich! Super to see Rex's numbers coming down into normal ranges.

To add onto what Carl said, not all carbs are created equal either. You could actually have two kinds of food that have the same % calories from carbs and the kitty could react differently to them based on the ingredients and the kitty.

When you have a chance, could we please get you to do a Profile for Rex? It helps us get to know him a bit better and if we need to review something about his medical history, it's quick and easy to access in your signature block. Please PM me if you have questions.

What we like to see is Rex coming back down into green when he clears the bounce. It can take up to six cycles (occasionally more) for a cat to clear a bounce. With a newly dx cat, we like to see them clef the bounce before we change the dose....if it needs to be changed. Here's where the patience pants come in.

Hoping he clears it quickly :-D
 
Re: 2/2 Rex PMPS 372 +1 339 +2 153

Interesting!!

After todays low numbers (AM +5 @ 56) I thought for sure he would have bounced alot higher.

He is back into the BLUES. :) Very interesting - But he should be visiting Mr Nadir right now at PM +4.

So we will see how the rest of the night unfolds.
 
Nice night too! Some cats (like Neko) wait a cycle or two before the really big bounce comes. Not saying Rex'll bounce tomorrow, but don't be surprised if he does.
 
Hello Wendy & Neko,

Good to know so I will not freak out. :)

Was the party tonight? Think Neko had party plans of her own.
 
Re: 2/2 Rex AMPS+4.5 59 +5 56 +5.5 69 +6 72 +7 86 PMPS 372

Marje and Gracie said:
When you have a chance, could we please get you to do a Profile for Rex? It helps us get to know him a bit better and if we need to review something about his medical history, it's quick and easy to access in your signature block.
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Marje, I put together something really really fast. I will go back and update alot more. :)
 
Thank you! If you look at Gracie's Profile, you'll see how we space stuff out so it's a little easier to read but I know you were going to do edits.

Really appreciate you doing that so fast last night!

And nice numbers :-D
 
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