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I'm not saying anything, just think peeps should maybe take a looksee at PK's digits this AM.... nailbite_smile

(whistling nonchalantly...) okay- I can't stand it I HAVE to tell you!!!! -NO PINKS after food today!!!!!!!! \M/

AHHHHHHH!!!!! flip_cat

ssshhhhhHHHHHH!!!! Quiet!!!! CALM down! :o cat_pet_icon :lol:

:-D
 
EHHHHHhehehHEHEHEHEHEHE!!!!!

PK is Surfing the neat yellow waves today!!! (knockwood,antijinx) OMG! I have not seen this beautiful of a curve from him in....um, well- since he was going OTJ with vetsulin the first time around!

I think he feels good, too, the last couple days with less gap in the ps and food spike numbers...the old ladies are screaming a lot more from him being in the top shelf staring at them the last few days! ( meanie sugarbeastie!) He used to "attack" them frequently, chasing them and getting them to squeal and hiss when he was a younger snot ball, but now he just stares at them to get the reaction he wants.

It may not be a green curve, but it is a solid straight line and I really think he feels much better that way. Those green to pinks make me want to puke- can't imagine how he must feel. I am hoping this sticks and the consistency will give him a chance to heal and go lower...still shooting for under 100 , but I will take the 200's solid any day over those 90's to 300 in one hour curves!

He is still sleeping his head off- but its cold out and nobody wants to go outside to the enclosure, so what else is there to do?

I LOVE this curve!!!! Yippeeeee!!!! (shhhhHHHHH!) :-D
 
Here is a wild and crazy thought:

You (he) have (has) now achieved a flat curve, which is indicative of either too much or too little insulin. What if the higher doses were high enough to generate a dip, but he climbed immediately back to high numbers in rebound. NOW the dose is low enough to not cause a dip, but still too high to stop the set in rebound effect.

Or, he is insulin resitent or not getting enough insulin.

I am inclined to think a drop to .5u might show you something more.... test for ketones if he goes into higher numbers again.
 
Oh! SHEILA! way to pull my happy rug out from under me! PPPHHHHTTTTT! ;-)

nah- I *knew* someone would spoil my fun with some fact or another eventually!

.. all I know is I LIKE what I see today and we are going to hang here for a little bit at the .75u What is it? The 5th day? No- 4th day of .75u and PK is notorious for shoing further settling until 6 days or after ( I know you know this, but lurkers and newbies might not) so I want to see what the next few days do before I make any effort to live beyond the moment.

I DO appreciate the input, however, and will refer back to this post in a few days....

What's funny is, I was feeling pretty down about PK's progress or lack of and all those torturous UP/DOWN curves and wondering if maybe he would do better on the new ProZinc- like maybe PK just isn't one of "those" cats that do well on the L's....Almost posted that today, that we were maybe switching, and look at the flatness he throws at me!!

To my eyes, THIS is progress! Especially since he seems frogier than usual the last few days of the .75u lower dose.

I know- PATIENCE, Grasshopper! :lol: (thanks for your reply!)
 
Good, good, good! After you think you have given it ample settling time you can then do very small systematical increases. Maybe his perfect dose is right around the corner. He is getting no snacks whatsoever now, just his two main meals at 12/12? Just rechecking since I think you mentioned that is what you were doing in your last thread.

P.S. of course what Sheila says makes sense too (as usual), but I am for going with the very small increases first.
 
pamela and tigger said:
I am for going with the very small increases first.
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I'm with Pamela on this. Flat lines are comforting, but they need to be lower than the 200s (don't know what color the 200s are and I refuse to learn. I like numbers.). I don't think you can achieve that without an increase.
 
Yeah, I'm with Terri and Pamela. I see flat lines, as long as they are not 300s to 400s flat lines, as progress with dose, meaning you are in ballpark of right dose. He takes a while to decide he likes a dose, so stick with it and see what he does over the next 3 or 4 days. If he maintains these flatter numbers, though still 200s, raise by a tenth, no more.
 
Thanks everyone for your feedback- MUCH appreciated!

WOndering why UPing the dose seems to be the only option? What if DROPing the dose .1u is the answer?

I am very happy with these numbers we are getting right now- this could change by amps, but yesterday was a really nice day for PK- no dive bombs, no mountain climbing. He slept the entire day as he usually does, but at dinner he was more attentive and looking at my eyes- I've noticed this the last week or so....looking at me...could be b/c he is hungry and still getting the measured 2.6oz of raw/canned mix...? could be just cuz he feels better?

I don't know, but I just wonder why you all thought UP was the only way to go- why not down?

Thanks!
 
I said 'up' after looking at your spreadsheet. Six years of experience with the disease and 2 years of experience with Lev says more insulin (but smaller increments in the increase like Vicky said) to me. Do you believe in gut feelings? I do!
 
It's not necessarily up as it is fine tuning. A lot of things affect curve levels and consistency of dose is a big one at these small increments. You could be off by .2U every shot, even more. It's why I use an external measuring device. I would be lost and very frustrated without it.

I re-measured .5U with my micrometer measuring the lines on the syringe last night and I was shocked how small it is.

All I can tell you at this point is if you want to try .1U less, just get data on it. That's really all you can do to determine the best dose. But don't vary it too much either more or less is my point.
 
Hey Terri and Vicky, thanks again for your responses- I appriciate the discussion here.

Yes, terri, I DO believe in gut feelings and that is what made me go tot he .75u this time....I'd been following Tilly for awhile now and even while getting below 100 by that method, we were also going above 300 in the same cycle! Yikes!

There was NO thinking involved in this last decrease- it was purely "gut" and so far it is panning out very well by my standards! :thumbup


Vicky- tell me more about this external measuring device...san it be used with any syringe? Is it calibrated? Is it expensive? Where do you find one?

Thanks again!
 
I am inclined to think a drop to .5u might show you something more.... test for ketones if he goes into higher numbers again.
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I'm just saying...... (see my first post above, M) (And for others, she sent me an email asking why I didn't suggest a decrease...)
 
Terri and Lucy said:
pamela and tigger said:
I am for going with the very small increases first.
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I'm with Pamela on this. Flat lines are comforting, but they need to be lower than the 200s (don't know what color the 200s are and I refuse to learn. I like numbers.). I don't think you can achieve that without an increase.
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LOL Terri! I agree in a way though, it is so funny how we often talk in colors nowadays instead of numbers. I know when I look at Tigger's numbers I think, "oh good, he is in the blues, or yuck, there's a pink"! :)
 
I'm also interested in learning more about the external measuring device you use Vicky. Oh how i just love pictures (hint, hint :-D )

Hang in there M!!! -M
 
PK is LOVING this "hammock" curve of his!

He is all over deviling the oldies- so much that one is off her food and I am considering building a separate room for the 2 old ladies for thier last years in peace.

PK is attentive, sitting by the cat room door and watcing the dogs and me walking around, following our movements.

His eyes are bright, he LOOKS AT me often the last week, I even saw him outside yesterday even in the cold and rain/sleet/snow.

It's hard to consider a dose change- up or down- when he looks to be doing so well on this flatness in the 200's....
 
Mal and Tubby said:
Yup, Vicky's measurement device= no pics means it doesnt exist!!
I work with mikes and calipers. have to see your method! :-D
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How about this kind: http://cgi.ebay.com/6-inch-150mm-Digita ... 850wt_1100

I love how the outer measuring part (Large side, the smaller side is for measuring inside dimensions) comes to points at ends - very handy to line up with top of syringe barrel and where you determine your dose should be. It seems that 1MM = 1U on my syringes, but you should measure your own syringes to see how the marks on them measure with it.

I began using the micrometer because the syringes I use have very inconsistent markings where the 0 line is often not ON the top of the barrel as it should be, meaning you could easily give as much as 1.5 units when you meant to give only 1U.
 
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