11/07 Randy's Amps

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Randy's bgl was 153 this morning! I'm so glad that we didn't see anything 200 or higher. We're feeding him now and we'll test him afterwards. But no insulin today it looks like! What do you guys think?
 
That's what I think. You can always test again in an hour and if he is over 200, give him a tiny amount -if you are going to be home. One of the nice things about PZI is that it is an insulin that you can adjust a bit according to the numbers and you can vary the schedule.

This is the second hardest time for a diabetic. (The first being the very beginning - where you also are :mrgreen: ) You want him off the insulin so you need (eventually) numbers near 70 or so, without insulin. But you have to get there safely. And you can't be sure how he will react to insulin yet as it is so early. Especially as he has had a late nadir, an early nadir and has been surfing along on a small single dose.....

Welcome to the "sugar dance". And Randy is certainly moving between the tango and the cha-cha!
 
No insulin for now, not after the punch he got from the .5 unit yesterday. I would keep an eye on him and test periodically to catch him if he starts going higher.

Although yesterday was a pretty good day BG wise, that +1 drop was very very early even for Prozinc and is what everyone was concerned about, that he would keep dropping. Even though it was a rough way to get started it gave you alot of great information.

If he goes over 200 I would not give him more than .25 unit to avoid the drama and let him get used to the insulin safely and test that +1 to monitor it's onset.

You did a great job yesterday!
 
I'd skip too. Test later, but also take some time just to relax with and enjoy your little man today:)
 
Thanks everyone! We fed him and it's been an hour since testing and then feeding and he's down to 131! Does this mean his pancreas is functioning well?
 
If the number is not 70 or so without insulin, does it mean it is not ready yet?
I am getting 90s and my vet told me not to give insulin for few days.
These numbers were taken after food from 30 min, 1 hours, 2 hours or so--- still not able to get blood test when I want it...

Sue and Oliver said:
You want him off the insulin so you need (eventually) numbers near 70 or so, without insulin. But you have to get there safely. And you can't be sure how he will react to insulin yet as it is so early.
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Both of you have beautiful numbers right now for both of your cats. Aime I wouldn't be surprised if your cat was already in remission, you did great!

Randy's numbers are great too, he does have a working pancreas. Can't wait for that appointment so you can check his eyes, but even before that i think we may see remission too:)
 
Agree with Tucker's Mom. Mimi, what "usually" happens with a cat in the 90's, is that food will start bringing the numbers down without any insulin. (Although of course, every cat is different.) You can test this out by testing about 30-45 minutes after he eats to see if the number has gone down from the number before he ate. You can spread the meals out over the day so the pancreas can "kick in" during the day. All that can help.

You can also experiment to see if some foods bring his bg levels down more than others. If you reach any conclusions, you can feed those foods.

After lots of data, you might consider a drop of insulin if your cat stays consistently in the lower 100s. But for now, you are great.
 
I am looking forward to having experiment once my cat stop bitting me for testing on him... :oops:

Sue and Oliver said:
Agree with Tucker's Mom. Mimi, what "usually" happens with a cat in the 90's, is that food will start bringing the numbers down without any insulin. (Although of course, every cat is different.) You can test this out by testing about 30-45 minutes after he eats to see if the number has gone down from the number before he ate. You can spread the meals out over the day so the pancreas can "kick in" during the day. All that can help.

You can also experiment to see if some foods bring his bg levels down more than others. If you reach any conclusions, you can feed those foods.

After lots of data, you might consider a drop of insulin if your cat stays consistently in the lower 100s. But for now, you are great.
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Thanks, Jennifer, I am still working on home testing in PEACE.....

tuckers mom said:
Both of you have beautiful numbers right now for both of your cats. Aime I wouldn't be surprised if your cat was already in remission, you did great!

Randy's numbers are great too, he does have a working pancreas. Can't wait for that appointment so you can check his eyes, but even before that i think we may see remission too:)
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No 90s today....tested at 156 around 3pm! That's 4 hours from his last few chew. Mimi didn't eat much today.
He ate less than 1/6 at 7am, less than 1/6 can at 3:30pm, then tested him again at 150 around 4:45pm.
Start to worry...

What do you mean by speard the meals out, like break into 4-6 small meals for day ? That's more like what I am doing now.
And how do you measure "a drop" of insulin? I've seen people doing that with low BG numbers but don't know what "2 drops" can do?

Sue and Oliver said:
Agree with Tucker's Mom. Mimi, what "usually" happens with a cat in the 90's, is that food will start bringing the numbers down without any insulin. (Although of course, every cat is different.) You can test this out by testing about 30-45 minutes after he eats to see if the number has gone down from the number before he ate. You can spread the meals out over the day so the pancreas can "kick in" during the day. All that can help.

You can also experiment to see if some foods bring his bg levels down more than others. If you reach any conclusions, you can feed those foods.

After lots of data, you might consider a drop of insulin if your cat stays consistently in the lower 100s. But for now, you are great.
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leaveittoweaver said:
At +7 he's at 105 :)
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That's actually +31 since he didn't get insulin this morning, right? Fantastic :mrgreen:

It does get confusing since the spreadsheet (SS) says +7, but we add the 24 hours on top of that to show it's been over a day.
 
Mimi,

You might want to start your own thread and ask for low dosage advice. We get confused when there are two people "talking" on one thread.

Don't know why you got the 150s today. Because he is a cat and he can? You might note on your spreadsheet what flavor you fed and go to some other flavor and see if he goes down.

Yes, several small meals a day, which it looks like you are already doing.
 
tuckers mom said:
leaveittoweaver said:
At +7 he's at 105 :)
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That's actually +31 since he didn't get insulin this morning, right? Fantastic :mrgreen:

It does get confusing since the spreadsheet (SS) says +7, but we add the 24 hours on top of that to show it's been over a day.
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Ah! I gotcha heh. I think things are looking great for Randy. What numbers should be considered normal?
 
totally agree with you. I will do that, thanks.

Sue and Oliver said:
Mimi,

You might want to start your own thread and ask for low dosage advice. We get confused when there are two people "talking" on one thread.

Don't know why you got the 150s today. Because he is a cat and he can? You might note on your spreadsheet what flavor you fed and go to some other flavor and see if he goes down.

Yes, several small meals a day, which it looks like you are already doing.
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leaveittoweaver said:
Ah! I gotcha heh. I think things are looking great for Randy. What numbers should be considered normal?
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I should know this one, yet I'm not 100% sure :roll:

My cats are all specially abled and BGs go up and down around here. I like to see with my civvies (civilians - non diabetic kitties) numbers between 60-80, but do get the occasional 90 something and have seen some 40 somethings, but since they aren't on insulin I don't worry about 40 somethings with my civvies.
 
If it helps Max is usually between 50-60s but has given me as low as 41 and as high as high 70s since being diet controlled, my civies are usually pretty steadily in the 50s. But anything between 40-100 is considered non-diabetic numbers.

Mel
 
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