10/7 Mother Bleeping son of a Grr! Obie +9, 425

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Shazbot!!! This morning he was at 318 on the Alpha which is below 300 usually on the Human meter. +9 he soared to 418 on the Human Meter.
He is most likely going to be close to 500 at PMPS.
I don't understand why he pogo jumped like that unless he got into something or went too low.
Bad Obie!!
 
Hi there :cool:

A couple things I noticed on the ss

Dosing irregularities that can contribute to wonky numbers
--Although you reduced the dose on 10/04/PM I'm not certain why.
--The dreaded fur shot followed by some 'dose hopping.

Lantus likes consistency - that gives the best results. being a slow acting depot type insulin,the impact of dose changes can take a coupe cycles to show up.

I'm also confused as to which type of meter, animal or human, you are using. I recommend that you stick with one or the other - preferably the human meter.

Lastly, sprinkling mid cycle tests around so that when you step back and look at the ss there are not any 'wide open spaces' (areas without tests) will go a long way in reducing the "I wonder why" scenarios as well as making the best dosing decisions.
 
I dropped his shot because he kept bouncing so much that I figure he had to have went too low and I didn't catch him.
And I do agree with the consistency. Obie did his best when things stayed the same.
As far as the meters go, I only use the pet one because my vet is a fascist dictator about the over priced Alphatrak 2. "it's not accurate" It's not designed for pets" "Use it or I'll hold my breath until my face turns blue" "Go ahead and use the Human Meter, if you hate America and want the terrorist to win!" "Do these test strips make me look fat?"
Disclaimer: I may have made up a few of those
I think I will stop using it when I'm out of strips for it and stick with the human meter.
I have more confidence now that I can believe what it tells me. I've busted the Pet one way off twice now,
but when the numbers mattered at the low point they were both in the proper zones per type meter.
I am going to stick with the 1u until his body tells me different.
One reason I stopped with the 1.25u is because he kept bouncing higher than he should have and doing a consistent .25 dose was difficult
and I didn't think the varying dose was helping.
I have been using the Relion Meter for every other test besides am/pmps readings strickly because the strips are 1/2 the price.
I do realize it's annoying as hell for people looking at the chart, but I can tell where he is using both meters from previous test and my other chart that I don't have linked here.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... LSFE#gid=0 Obie's other chart.
 
okay.... granted the chart is harder to follow....
but.... what I do see is that Obie bounces to reds when he gets a green....( New Mexico style :lol: )
. and in just 8 hours ( a week ago) he dropped 2 floors in 8 hours) ( yellow to green)

so if you could narrow the large gaps.... maybe test every 4 hours.... Unless numbers warrant otherwise....
but don't think yellow means you don't want to check....
you may find some other hidden greens happening without you knowing it....
 
I will do that. :) My vet suggested changing his insulin, but he "is" showing positive signs with the lantus (However slow and far between)
Thank you for reading and helping. I really really appreciate it. :smile: :smile:
 
Calipers is a great idea! I use those at work.
Maybe I should make something I could hold up next to the syringe and use it as a key.
Hmm. Thank you.
 
Calipers have helped a lot of people. Here is a post Marje wrote about Dosing with Calipers.

most of the time you are going to end up increasing the dose to flatten out blood sugar. decreasing does work to flatten out the cycles - think how flat it gets when you don't give insulin. But decreasing to flatten out cycles using leaves the cat in high numbers. Take a look at the Protocol yellow starred sticky (holler if you can't find it) and you'll notice that the directions are listed in phases.

There's a beginning week phase. That's is followed by "increasing the dose" phase.

When a cat has most of their nadirs in normal numbers, then you switch to the decreasing the dose phase.

It might not be obvious - i didn't realize it was meant to imply phases when i first started here, but it is. You want to have the dose high enough (but safe) that the higher numbers will come down.
 
Thank you, Julie! I have that bookmarked and am going to grab a caliper tomorrow.
 
Calipers were a life saver here, along with a good magnifying glass.

I know you hate those high numbers, but Julie is right, sometimes you need a little more insulin to combat them. I'd stick to your 1.0U for a couple more cycles, and try to get at least one additional test at night to see what is happening then and then increase per the protocol if that's what the numbers tell you. My Neko is the queen of going low at night. If I dosed by her daytime numbers, she'd be over dose.

The other thing to remember about those bounces, is that it means the insulin is doing it's job and you are getting Obie's numbers into the normal range that he isn't used to. As much as I hated bounces to black (which were a regular occurrence at one point :roll: ) it did mean Neko was finally seeing better numbers. As they spend more time in normal numbers, the bounces get lower. First we did away with black, then red, now pink is rarer. Neko's liver is a slow learner. :lol:
 
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