10/24 Leo Pancreatitis Dx, no insulin today

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Tracy & Leo

Tracy & Leo

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Ok so good news first. We don't have to continue with any AB's, Leo's scabs are just about ready to fall off and no abcesses that Andrea can feel. I am supposed to bath Leo or use a warm compress to encourage the scabs to fall off. Bad news is she thinks Leo may have a touch of pancreatitis that was causing him to vomit, or a sensitivity to clavamox that is finally just now showing itself. Either way we got more cerenia to give for 2 days. Dental recheck is excellent as well. So all in all it went well. I am relieved for the time being. Now, we just need Leo to eat! Hopefully he'll be hungry when we finally get home, he seems his spunky self right now.
 
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Tracy, that is good news! I hope Leo has an appetite. I know that will be a great relief. Glad to hear he's feeling better.
Liz
 
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Great News! We've all been waiting for your post. Does you vet still think it licking was food allergy and he is over it now? There was a discussion in Tess's condo yesterday about getting some extra calories into her, if you are still worried about lost weight. As for foods Wellness and Blue Wilderness seem to have the highest calorie count.

cat_pet_icon cat_pet_icon cat_pet_icon Be good and stop the extra grooming Leo!

Leo, KTSS is on the way and, uh, we'll keep an eye on Binks and his styling ambitions. -- Tess

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Great news! I'm so glad leo is starting to feel better and those dang scabs are ready to come off .. I hope his appy continues to improve ..
 
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Hi Tracy, glad to hear no more AB's for Leo and hope his appetite returns. Come on Leo, let's eat something soon and show your Bean you can do it. Take care Tracy.
 
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good news all around!

leo, you want to eat that yummy meat! if you don't, it might be like muffin, you might be eating pumpkin or green beans! :o now you don't want that, do you? meat. meat. meat. that's what the kitties all like. :-D
 
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Leo!

eat da foods...eat da foooods!
celi

I admitz...I duz habz sum kitty fashun faylurez.. :sad:
binks

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Well we came over to my parents place since our vet is close to their place. Now the grandparents can watch Leo while i get some zzzzzzzz's. We came over and Leo immediately started eating grass, and alot of it, and then started drooling big time. I tried feeding him some Wellness Turkey (not his favorite at all) and he turned his nose up at it. Either he's still nauseous, or it is one of the known side effects of cerenia....drooling. Leo has always been a big grass eater, he usually doesn't vomit from it though. He's obviously trying to clean his little system out. I'll try feeding him some more friskies chefs dinner when he comes in from outside.
 
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Aw Tracy. I bet you are exhausted. I hope you are able to get some rest.

Leo, you need to eat. I know you like mousies and grass, but wellness is better for you buddy.

Have a great evening!
 
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I'm so sorry Leo isn't feeling well today and I hope it isn't pancreatitis. If you think it possibly is, maybe some subq fluids and some buprenex will help him. Poor Leo...and I hope you can get him to eat something besides grass.

Leo has had such a tough time since his dental. We're sending him lots of extra healing vines and sending you hugs, Tracy. Hope you get some rest.
 
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Ok so still no eating, just spoke to Andrea again and we are now going to be treating Leo for pancreatitis. So i just gave him his cerenia and was told to feed him his junk food (HC fuds, kibble) in a few hours, whatever it takes to get him to eat. I am supposed to bring him in tomorrow for subq fluids, bupe and more cerenia. :cry: :sad:

Edited to add, no insulin tonight.
 
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Tracy, I sure hope Leo will start eating for you. Grass eating usually means upset stomach or induced vomiting to get up a hairball. I hope the meds will work and that h e will improve. Poor Leo has been through the mill. Edible healing vines and chicken soup on the way!

Ella & Rusty
 
(((Tracy and Leo))) Lots of prayers and vines for and for a good Vet visit tomorrow. Oh boy, Leo, here comes some good stuff now, so try and eat a little. Hugs to you Tracy and try and get some rest; I know not easy when worrying about Leo.
 
Tracy,
Pick up some pepcid regular strength 10mg. Cut the tabs in 4 pieces and give him a piece.
The daily max for cats is 5mg so you can give Leo 1/4 tab am and pm. It will help alot with gassy nausea.
Eating grass is automatic when cats are not feeling well; my Shadoe will go to her cat grass and that's the first sign she is not feeling well. I try to keep a fresh catgrass plant at all times for the cats to nibble.

Also, if the vet thinks Leo has pancreatitis, it's painful so get some pain meds from your vet, preferably buprenex.
As well, you can easily give Leo fluids at home so ask your vet to put together a fluids kit for you .... ask for 22ga needles - vets usually give out 18ga needles but they are huge and uncomfortable for the cat.

Treatment for pancreatitis is pepcid for nausea, bupe for pain, and fluids to flush it all out.

After fluids, you will see Leo perk up like a wilted plant.
 
I feel like crying my eyes out for my kitty. It's just been one thing after another with Leo these last few weeks......i really hope he pulls thru this ok. I'm planning on just calling in sick to work this week, i couldn't bear to leave him while he's this sick and i don't want to burden my parents with this. I haven't eaten today and have barely slept and i'm sick with worry about Leo, he's probably sick of me hovering around him. He on the other hand has been sleeping off and on and going out to eat grass in between naps. I gave him his cerenia, and managed to screw that up, i got some on his fur, but most went in. I'm waiting for the cerenia to kick in and will try feeding him his "junk food".

So i searched pancreatitis in the FDMB and have found the google forum and just finished reading the roundtable discussion about it. Am i not supposed to be feeding him? It seems like not feeding helps them get better faster. Please do not tell me to try and syringe feed him, it is ABSOLUTELY not possible with Leo, i can't go anywhere near his mouth without him freaking out. Dr. Andrea also told me not to stress him out anymore tonight by trying to force feed him. Dr. Andrea asked if i would like to take him back to the ER vet to get him an ultrasound, which would involve calling in a radiologist, since its after hours. I just asked can we just treat him as if he does have pancreatitis? She said that was going to be her very next sentence to me, lets just treat this as if it is pancreatitis.

I feel like i have been hogging the forum lately with all Leo's news and seriously considered not even posting today......
 
first things first, kiddo...you are certainly NOT hogging the forum,
and we are all worried about him...so PLEASE keep posting!

and please take care of you...eat, get some rest...
I know how hard that is, but do try...

and I can't help with any of the physical issues...but please know that you and Leo are
in my heart, thoughts and prayers.

celi
 
Tracy - We are all here for you, we're all in this together...you have to post about Leo, whether it's good or stressful news. Trust me, with all my ramblings about Petey these past few days, I know how much it helps!

I'm glad you're calling in sick this week...I'm sure it would be way too stressful for you to be away from Leo right now.

Remember the power of LantusLand prayers...

Amy
 
Tracy & Leo said:
I feel like crying my eyes out for my kitty. It's just been one thing after another with Leo these last few weeks......i really hope he pulls thru this ok. I'm planning on just calling in sick to work this week, i couldn't bear to leave him while he's this sick and i don't want to burden my parents with this. I haven't eaten today and have barely slept and i'm sick with worry about Leo, he's probably sick of me hovering around him. He on the other hand has been sleeping off and on and going out to eat grass in between naps. I gave him his cerenia, and managed to screw that up, i got some on his fur, but most went in. I'm waiting for the cerenia to kick in and will try feeding him his "junk food".

So i searched pancreatitis in the FDMB and have found the google forum and just finished reading the roundtable discussion about it. Am i not supposed to be feeding him? It seems like not feeding helps them get better faster. Please do not tell me to try and syringe feed him, it is ABSOLUTELY not possible with Leo, i can't go anywhere near his mouth without him freaking out. Dr. Andrea also told me not to stress him out anymore tonight by trying to force feed him. Dr. Andrea asked if i would like to take him back to the ER vet to get him an ultrasound, which would involve calling in a radiologist, since its after hours. I just asked can we just treat him as if he does have pancreatitis? She said that was going to be her very next sentence to me, lets just treat this as if it is pancreatitis.

I feel like i have been hogging the forum lately with all Leo's news and seriously considered not even posting today......
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Cerenia will be good for the nausea, so just have food and water handy by him and he will eat when he feels like it..... when you are nauseous, are you worrying about eating? Nope! So just have it by him and he will go to it when he feels better.

If the vet says to treat as if it's pancreatitis, then can you go to pick up pain meds and fluids? Lots of people here can help you with the fluids and Leo will feel better.... just so you know that giving fluids will lower his BG, but if pancreatitis is the problem, his numbers should be fairly high anyways.

There is no point in all the expense of Xrays, u/s and whatnot if you can help him with fluids and some bupe.

some reading for you...in case you have not seen them.
List of Low-Carb/Med.-Fat Food for Cats with Diabetes AND Chronic Pancreatitis
Chronic pancreatitis (or does my cat have a pepcid deficiency?)
Idexx Treatment for Pancreatitis

Anti Nausea meds
Ranitidine (brand name Zantac), metoclopramide (brand name Reglan), cimetidine (brand name Tagamet) and maropitant citrate (brand name Cerenia) are all prescription drugs that can relieve nausea in cats.
Read more: Feline Nausea Medications
There is also ondansetron. PepCid helps prevent excess stomach acid since that can lead to nausea. It is not a general anti-nausea med.
 
Awww, poor Leo...and poor Tracy! To answer your feeding question, yes you need to feed him, whatever he will eat. Muffin's had a couple bouts of pancreatitis and so has her civie brother Kibby. Once you get him on some pepcid and bupe tomorrow, and some fluids into him, he should perk up quickly, so please try not to worry too much. I'm sure by tomorrow afternoon he'll be feeling noticeably better. I'm glad, too, that you can call in sick for a while to stay with him. I know how hard it is when the furbabies are not well. But don't forget to take care of you too! Get some sleep and some food - you can observe Leo better then! Good luck to you and we'll be thinking of you two and sending lots of healing vines.
 
Sending many healing thoughts and prayers along with a great big hug :YMHUG: . You are doing great handling all this. Leo knows you are helping him and please take care of yourself...Leo needs you! Please keep us updated with posts when you can. Leo will be his old self before you know it :YMHUG:
 
WOW, and omg. poor Leo, poor Tracy. I am sorry for all of this. I have no experience with any of this, but it seems like you have gotten some helpful suggestions for several people here who have. Hang in there - it will get better. Many many healing vines for Leo from Mannie and I.

Leo - dude!!! You sick? I am so worried about you... Don't worry - the KTSS is on their way, we gots chicken soup and stuff, and we will bring you a couple of hot dogs from NYC - but you may want to save them for later. See you soon!! Tobey is already too to give you the bestest massage ever! ~~~ Mannie
 
HE ATE!!!! I left to go to my brothers to pick up some movies for Leo and i to watch, i told my mom if Leo was hungry to let him eat whatever he wanted. My dad went and woke him up and brought him over to the dish and fed him some kibble and he ate quite a bit (so he told me, how much i'm not sure). Then i came home and opened up a can of 18% FF and he ate about half a can, i made sure to really water it down too and he slurped up all the gravy. Don't get used to all these good fuds Leo!!!

I am tearing up just reading everyone's posts, we truly are a family here and i definitely feel it right now.

Andrea told me that the vet clinic would take care of the subq fluids for the first couple of days with me just watching, then give me the supplies to do it myself. She really pulled through for me today and has definitely redeemed herself today and late this afternoon. I really don't feel like doing this alone so i think Leo and i will just stay with my parents for the next few days, it really helps having them around knowing how much they care about him.
 
AWESOME!!!!

and you may not think this is cool...but i did a Google search for "cat wife-beater pics"...

and your 10/22 post on FDMB came up as the number 1 subject!!!!
 
Hi Tracy, just checking one last time on Leo before signing off and so glad to hear Leo is eating. :YMHUG: :YMHUG: Gayle gave you some really good links, too. I'll be watching for updates tomorrow.
 
Tracy, I am just now getting around to checking condos and I am so sorry to hear about Leo. I'm glad he ate for you tonight. That is a great sign! Also glad to hear you are staying at your parents. You definitely could use their support over the next few days. Sending lots of prayers to you and Leo tonight.

FYI: I give my kitty, Cleo, subq fluids and it is so much easier than I thought it would be. Piece of cake and Cleo is not one to want to sit still for things.
 
It's great to hear that he is eating. :-D :-D Good idea to stay with your parents, you need the support in this as well as Leo. :YMHUG: :YMHUG: :YMHUG: Take care of yourself so you can take care of Leo.
 
Sending you both hugs. Hang in there.

Pancreatitis treatment has some treatment cornerstones - fluids, pain management (normally buprenorphine), and anti nausea medication.

In cats its not recommended to go without food. In dogs yes. But cat's are different. You don't want to deal with fhl so do what you can to keep him eating. You may need to add ondansetron which is often prescribed for pancreatitis nausea.

The yahoo group is very good. I don't know the google group.

Glad to hear his belly is healing nicely.
 
Tracy, thinking of you and Leo and sending much healing energy your way. Please keep us updated and take care of yourself.
Liz
 
YAY!!! SO glad he ate!!!!

They used to say to not feed them and let the pancreas rest but that is old school now. It's best for him to eat smaller amounts often if you can get him to do it. LIke Gayle said, it's REALLY important to treat the pain with bupe because it is painful to have pancreatitis and to give fluids. With this treatment, our Gus got through a pretty severe bout of it in less than two days.

Sending you prayers and healing thoughts. It's good you called in....you'd not be able to concentrate.

Hugs and love to you both, Tracy. TRY to sleep!
 
I'm glad he ate, too, that's wonderful! I'm glad, too, that you are able to stay with the 'rents and have their support. You're doing a fantastic job!
 
I'm so sorry that you and Leo are dealing with so much and that Leo is feeling crummy. I'm glad to see that he ate and it looks like you are doing all of the right things! Hang in there!!!! LLand loves you and Leo and were all pulling for you!!!
 
Love today's pictures. Fortunately since Leo has been under the weather I took off his kitty wifebeater and he has not touched his belly at all. No licking at all!

He's been meatloafing beside me watching a movie, I think he's in pain :sad: However, he's eaten a whole can of HC FF in a few sittings since 7:30 or so and is now BTB. So he's eaten more tonight than he did yesterday. I'm wondering if I should give him a half dose (.5) tomorrow before we leave for the vet and more subq? Opinions? As I type this he's still hungry so I cracked open another can of 18%FF and he's still eating.

I realize now that he was feeling much better last night after receiving 130mls of subq, here I thought it was just from the cerenia but now I think he was feeling better from getting fluids.
 
I'm so glad Leo is bouncing back!!! I don't know if you remember, but in Leo's condo on 10/16, I had mentioned you might want to think about pancreatitis. Whoa!!! I wish I had been wrong (though I can't believe I was right because what the heck do I know!!). I'm glad Leo is a strong kitters. He's already making his comeback!! Make sure you get some sleep and EAT!!!
 
You do so much for Leo now with testing and the shots. Giving fluids should be easy for you. Ask you vet to let you give them tomorrow while she watches and then you should be able to get the setup to take home. if you have noticed that they make him feel better I'd want to have them on hand.
 
oh tracy, OF COURSE you should post!!! we're all concerned about both Leo and you.

a joy shared is doubled, a burden shared is halved . . .

we're in it together. it's good company in this boat. hang in there - i know nothing about pancreatitis, but have seen it in lots of kitties here - as have you - and they're all fine now. leo will be too.

so glad he's eating - you should be too. a little chocolate? a little glass of wine? some pizza? what would the madamoiselle like?

hahaha i googled an image for the quote above . . . and while not what i had in mind, i decided to post it. maybe it will help you wipe away the tears. :lol:

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Sending Healing green vines & Hugs to our dear friends Leo & his worried momma bean Tracy--
Glad to see he is eating already & scabs are coming off! You two have been through so so much lately--
Hope this is the end & Leo will be in good health from now on--Hugs & Love from us!
Yes this IS a family & we all care so much about each other---You are one of us & we all care so much-
You are never alone here! Hope his pancreatitis clears up really soon & he will be well!
 
Ditto what everyone else has said... that is why this place is so amazing. ((hugs)) so sorry that Leo is having such a rough time of things. So glad to hear he is eating... fingers and paws crossed that he is back to feeling good soon. Glad you are able to take off from work as well... I know how stressed you would have been.

Hang in there, sweetie...
 
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