10/18 Maggie AMPS 132; PMPS 105; +2 90; +5 119 ATrak

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Ann & Maggie11 (GA)

Ann & Maggie11 (GA)

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My thoughts and prayers go out to Libby with her precious Jazzy crossing the Bridge.

Morning ~O) ~O) and all is well today in Maggie's world. I had no wake-up call from Maggie, but I did remember to set the alarm. Maggie had a good shot, Nature Variety's Instinct Chicken fuds still going over well, fingers and paws crossed. With the NV, I notice Maggie's lb is off a little, so maybe another brand to change off will be in order. No play time yet but later for sure. I am awaiting a call this morning from the Vet on Maggie's bw and will post her renal values and any others out of range. The Vet was impressed with how well Maggie has done overall since her last checkup and likes receiving her weekly ss. It's so early I really don't know what all is on tap for me today, but I hope to meet up with a friend for a late breakfast.
 
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FWIW, the NV instinct appeared to constipate my civvie, Frankie. I can't say that the food change was 100% the culprit, but I'm a bit suspicious because of the timing. She had a similar reaction to By Nature Organics, too. I wish I knew for sure if it was a coincidence or what, but just thought I'd share.

Last night, I went with a mix of 50/50 BG and BLue Wilderness for Trix, and she's higher this morning than she's been in a while. Again, I'm not sure if that was a coincidence or not. This morning, we did 50/50 NV/Blue Wilderness...we shall see what the day brings!

Have a great one!

Amy
 
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Hi Amy, thanks for that info on NV and constipation for Trixie. That is very interesting, as Maggie never has a problem with lb, but since the Nature's Variety, it's twice. You mentioned feeding 50/50 BG and BLue Wilderness. What do the initials "BG" stand for? I'm going to look for Blue Wilderness today. I wonder if Petco sells it. Thanks again.
 
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Ann & Maggie11 said:
Hi Amy, thanks for that info on NV and constipation for Trixie. That is very interesting, as Maggie never has a problem with lb, but since the Nature's Variety, it's twice. You mentioned feeding 50/50 BG and BLue Wilderness. What do the initials "BG" stand for? I'm going to look for Blue Wilderness today. I wonder if Petco sells it. Thanks again.
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BG is Merrick's BG 96% chicken. Trix doesn't love the taste of it, but I know her numbers always do well with it. Since she doesn't adore it, I've been mixing other foods with it...first it was Wellness, which gave higher numbers. Then it was Fancy Feast, which gave higher numbers. The NV Instinct seems perfect mixed with the BG, numbers-wise, and she'll eat it, but would rather get her paws on kibble :lol: !
 
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The NV Instinct seems perfect mixed with the BG, numbers-wise, and she'll eat it, but would rather get her paws on kibble
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Hi Tracy, thanks again. I'm learning a lot from your experience with Trixie. I've tried Merrick BG chicken on Maggie, and she snubbed it; but maybe if I also try mixing it with NV, her lb will be better. So funny with Trixie wanting to get her paws on kibble. Maggie would love to get her paws on some "potato chips" - yes, potato chips. I found out she loves them when accidentally dropping one on the floor and heard :crunch crunch"! :lol:
 
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Good morning, guys,

The food discussion continues: Rusty didn't like BG chicken or BG turkey at all. I may try Nature's Instinct, but I wonder if the lb problem Maggie and Trixie seem to be having is owing to the inclusion of the "clay" in the formulat (can't remember the exact name now, but it begins with "m" and is a long word; check their website for the ingredients).
be back later. Gotta take my car in.

Ella

p.s. Nice AMPS, Maggie!
 
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I may try Nature's Instinct, but I wonder if the lb problem Maggie and Trixie seem to be having is owing to the inclusion of the "clay" in the formulat (can't remember the exact name now, but it begins with "m" and is a long word; check their website for the ingredients).
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Hi Ella, very interesting comment on the "clay" in the formular. I just checked the ingredients on a can, and it states "Montmorillonite Clay". I'll have to research that ingredient more and see if it is why the effect on the lb. Thanks for the info as I know you recently checked out the ingredients on some different varieties foods.
 
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Hi guys .. our thoughts and prayers are also with libby and lucy .. I hope the LB issues don't last for too long .. perhaps it is the food change? Glad to hear the vet is impressed with maggie and how well she is doing .. that's news we all like to hear .. have a great day!
 
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morning guys! Nice day for Maggie!!!

Good luck with the foods... Mannie is not a big fan of Merrick BG either.. he'll ea it, but not with any degree of YUM! and clay in the food?????

Enjoy your late breakfast with a friend - fun!
 
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Hi, I had a call from the Vet, and he's pleased with Maggie's Lab results insofar as there isn't much change, but she's still in Stage 2 of the renal disease. I'll just list the renal values, as they were the most worrisome:

BUN 47 (HIGH) (14-36 is the Range)

Creatinine 2.5 (HIGH) (0.6-2.4 is the Range)

Phosphorus 4.1 (2.4 - 8.2 is the Reference Range)
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The below Protein test wasn't mentioned in the call, and I wonder if any of you understand what it means:

Urinalysis
Protein 1+ (HIGH) (Negative is the Reference Range)
 
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These are still good numbers, Ann. I'm glad she is holding steady!!!

The protein in the urine might be of no concern or might be of concern. The only way to know is if they had done a protein/creatinine ratio. Sometimes Gus (and Teddi) show(ed) a little protein in their urine but I have the protein/creat ratio done to see if it is from the renal insufficiency and so far, it has not been and so there have been no worries. You could do a free catch urine and take it to the vet and ask if they can run the protein/creatinine ratio for you.

Glad to hear the good news for Maggie.
 
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Marjorie and Gracie said:
These are still good numbers, Ann. I'm glad she is holding steady!!!

The protein in the urine might be of no concern or might be of concern. The only way to know is if they had done a protein/creatinine ratio. Sometimes Gus (and Teddi) show(ed) a little protein in their urine but I have the protein/creat ratio done to see if it is from the renal insufficiency and so far, it has not been and so there have been no worries. You could do a free catch urine and take it to the vet and ask if they can run the protein/creatinine ratio for you.
Glad to hear the good news for Maggie.
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Hi Marje, thanks so much for the info. They did do a urinalysis with the Collection Method Cystocentesis, and then it lists the different values, i.e., color, specific Gravity, etc., and then it lists Protein (verified by SSA test), but I don't see it showing the protein/creat ratio. I can see now there is so much to learn with this stage in her life. Yes, I am thankful there's no change since the last bw panel and she is holding steady. I was just thinking I do E-mail Maggie's Vet weekly with her ss, so I will ask him about this particular test. Thanks again so much for your help.
 
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Hi Ann - in case Marje doesn't get back to you... the Ratio test that she is speaking of is a separate test/analysis from the ones that they did - you will have to request it to be run, if my memory serves me correctly... Hopefully the sample they took from Maggie is still viable. I believe that it should be?

I am still glad that Maggie is holding steady - that is really good news!
 
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Hi Ann - in case Marje doesn't get back to you... the Ratio test that she is speaking of is a separate test/analysis from the ones that they did - you will have to request it to be run, if my memory serves me correctly... Hopefully the sample they took from Maggie is still viable. I believe that it should be?
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Thanks Michelle, gosh I wonder why my Vet didn't run this test for Mags with her being diabetic. So your civvie had the test for the protein/creatinine ratio when you took her in for her dental? I know the last Labs Maggie's protein was negative. Thanks again.
 
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Hi Ann - no, I didn't have it done. It was Mannie actually... Once we knew there was protein leakage in his urine (from his urinalysis when he had his dental) we talked about it, the vet and I, but elected at this time not too, as his renal values, and all other values, were OK. As I remember it is a pricey test - maybe $125.00? not too sure on that. It didn't seem necessary at this time. From my understanding it is not a test they normally run, only when they are trying to determine the cause of protein leakage??? I am NO expert, and may have this all wrong.... Maybe Marje will revisit, she really has a great understanding of it all.

Have a good night! Did you get to walk today?
 
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Ann, I'm going to check on this for you...but I think the ratio can be calculated....(protein would be the albumin value)

Creatinine : mm/L/0.088 = mg%
Protein : (mg/L)/10 = mg%

Example: Creatinine: 12 mm/L
Protein: 400 mg/L
Ratio = [400/10]/[12/0.088] = 0.29 g/24h
 
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Nice Blue day for the Mags!! I'm glad Moonie loves the FF, so little problems, except which flavor to feed :lol:
That Moonie never liked ANY good foods--Oh well, simplicity works for us..
Have a beautiful evening! Hugs & love from us! :mrgreen:
 
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Once we knew there was protein leakage in his urine (from his urinalysis when he had his dental) we talked about it, the vet and I, but elected at this time not too, e nas his renal values, and all other values, were OK. As I remember it is a pricey test - maybe $125.00? not too sure on that. It didn't seem necessary at this time. From my understanding it is not a test they normally run, only when they are trying to determine the cause of protein leakage??? I
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Oh thanks again Michelle, interesting discussion with your Vet. Mags' Vet said he wants to see her in either three to six months depending on how she's doing, so perhaps if it's still positive, he'll run that test. Marje did pm me explaining as you stated, it's an add on test. It sounds like you have a good and thorough Vet. I'll still talk to Vet about the protein in urine.
 
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Ann, I'm going to check on this for you...but I think the ratio can be calculated....(protein would be the albumin value
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Thanks Jessica for checking on it. I have a feeling the Vet must not think it's necessary this time to do the test, but I'll ask him. He's usually very thorough, but I understand this is an add on test.
 
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Ann & Maggie11 said:
I may try Nature's Instinct, but I wonder if the lb problem Maggie and Trixie seem to be having is owing to the inclusion of the "clay" in the formulat (can't remember the exact name now, but it begins with "m" and is a long word; check their website for the ingredients).
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Hi Ella, very interesting comment on the "clay" in the formular. I just checked the ingredients on a can, and it states "Montmorillonite Clay". I'll have to research that ingredient more and see if it is why the effect on the lb. Thanks for the info as I know you recently checked out the ingredients on some different varieties foods.
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Thanks for pointing this out to me. Yay - more stuff to research and learn about! While I don't wish the issue on anyone, I'm somewhat "relieved" (no pun intended!!!) that Frankie isn't alone...I was wondering if I was imagining the coincidence with the food change and Frankie's LB situation, but it's really interesting that Maggie has the same issue, and it actually came about at the same time!
 
+2 90 Fed LC Nature's Variety Instinct chicken + treat
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Hi Tracy, I answered in your condo re the "Montmorillonite Clay" ingredient in NV. I sent a message to Nature's Variety asking them about the ingredient. I should get a reply tomorrow.
Thanks to Ella & Rusty for calling it to our attention.

Maggie is having a nice green surf today, well almost green!
 
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