1/8 Ozy PMPS-97,+3-147,+8-119

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donaleen and Ozy

donaleen and Ozy

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AMPS-92,+2.5-173,+4-190,+6-180,+9-79

Thanks for stopping by last night Marje, Julie, Dyana, Wendy and Sandy. Glad to have you watching our backs. You are my blankie!

Ozy had a great night. We did too. Well maybe a little sleepus interruptus. He climbed into my lap first thing this morning and it was hard for me to give up lap time to test/feed/shoot for AMPS.

We weighed Ozy last night and he is an astonishing 19 lbs. I don't see how that happened! He was 18.4 on 12/26. I have actually been concerned that he wasn't eating enough recently because he hasn't been finishing his food, though with three cats it can be hard to keep track.

I use the doctor Lisa advice on feeding. Calculations follow.

wellness turkey/salmon cal per can 412
ideal weight Kg 7.27

12.5 oz in a can so….
288 calories to maintain =8.74 ounces
230 calories for safe weight loss = 6.99 ounces
 
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Dr. Lisa's calculations are a great general starting point, then you adjust the calories based upon the cat's activity level. Ozy might just need a little less.

off to work and have plans for the evening, so i'll catch you later. have a great day! nice nadir last night, btw! he's doing great holding the reduction.
 
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Hi guys .. so happy to hear Ozy had a great night .. and what a puuuurfect number to start the day! Hmm, maybe a little less food for awhile might be a good idea .. have a great day!
 
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I'm glad you and Ozy had a great night. What a nice way to start the day with some lap time.
 
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I agree with Julie...Dr. Lisa's calculations are a good starting point, but often need adjustment. Champ gains weight on those calculations because he is very sedentary. I just adjusted his calories until I noticed his weight stayed level. He weighs 16.5 pounds, but is a very large cat and his vet is fine with him at this weight. If he lost another half pound, it would be great, but he only gets 6 oz of FF a day and I can't give him less than that without him protesting mightily!!! Oxy's numbers are looking AWESOME!!!
 
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What a nice AMPS for Ozy! :-D Come back down the other way again, little one, and show us those pretty greens again :mrgreen: Ketones freak me out too, sorry I don't know the guidelines but if you can catch pee it doesn't hurt to check...I set a plastic bag trap, but I only have 1 cat to monitor for! I'll try find the list of ketones info if I can. I hope you can figure out a good amount of calories, it's always a challenge. Happy Wednesday!

Edit: BJM has a link in signature for secondary monitoring talking about ketones found here:
https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1r6ktdF7AMJCYHgPkVQWFUFy5Ag6OnbmfNfQqL3zX_88

and one from felinediabetes.com on ketones: http://www.felinediabetes.com/ketones.htm
 
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Hi there :cool:
donaleen and Ozy said:
We weighed Ozy last night and he is an astonishing 19 lbs.
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Where would you place him on the chart found here?

donaleen and Ozy said:
What about ketones? Always my biggest fear... If he eats too little is there a danger of ketones?
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Three items make up the recipe for potential ketones. Adequate calorie intake is just one of the factors.
The other two are not enough insulin and active infection.
 
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Maybe an 8. Not really, though because he rounds out at his front legs and comes back in so the back part is rather thin... like he is super barrel chested.

Just under 16 lb is a good weight for Ozy. That is what he weighed when he came to us. He put on all the extra weight here. He was up to a max of 17 lb, then lost weight no matter what he ate (pre diagnosis) and went down to 14lbs. He was always ravenous and was fed on demand at that point and he was eating about 10 or 11 oz a day (much less than many people say their cats ate at that time).

He began to gain weight as soon as he started treatment and when he reached 17lb, I tried following the Dr LIsa weight control recommendations. He even lost a little weight. Then he began to gain again.

Today his main interest is food. Every time I go in the kitchen, he follows me in. I hate to see a cat reduced to dog behavior.

So now the question is: what to do? Should I restrict his calories further or is this the wrong time? How many calories should I be feeding him (he is pretty sedentary)?
 
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donaleen and Ozy said:
(he is pretty sedentary)
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maybe for the time being, think about how to get him up and moving a bit.

Have you tried a laser pointer type toy?
BK and his (relatively new) room mate Little Man Jake , love stalking and/or chasing the red dot,
They run the entire length of BK central, back and forth back and forth, It's hysterical. Kitty laps.

Speaking of which, I'm off to BK central to see what calamity LMJ is responsible for today. . .
 
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Maybe Ozy needs a buddy? ;-) :lol: We weigh Zener's food to see how much he eats and weigh him weekly. We worry about him losing weight so we can tell if we need to push food or not. It takes about 9 oz per day for Zener to maintain his weight. ECID. Looking good Ozy!
Liz
 
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Well today Ozy is getting a lot of exercise following me to the kitchen. Really.

And he has two buddies who are quite active and playful. Pippin seems to sense when Ozy is up for play. It isn't all that often. I have been encouraging him to play with me but I must have pushed too much because for the past few days, he goes the other way when I try. On the other hand, he is doing more. Using the scratching post. Watching the birds out the window. Meeting us at the door.
 
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Well, I know this is going to be hard, but you need to decrease his food intake. His numbers are not high enough for him to need extra calories at this time. I'm a sucker for a crying kitty and have always been a pushover for snacks with Champ. Before he was diagnosed, he weighed 21 pounds. At diagnosis, he weighed 15.5 pounds. After starting insulin, he proceeded to regain weight until he weighed a high of 17.5 pounds. I've made a very concerted effort to no longer give Champ treats throughout the day. He gets one....about three hours before his PMPS. Instead of giving fresh chicken, freeze dried chicken, freeze dried salmon, or any of the treats I used to give him, I now give him bonito flakes because the calorie count is low and a little bit of them looks like a lot and takes him a while to eat. Even with the bonito I found myself giving him this snack multiple times a day, but I just quit doing that recently. Ozy will follow you into the kitchen, he will beg for food when you're eating, he will make you feel sorry for him....but if you don't give up and feed him, he will stop doing this. It will be harder to train yourself NOT to give treats than it will be to have him learn not to expect them. I give Champ 6 ounces of food a day. Since I feed Fancy Feast, he gets one can throughout his AM cycle and one can throughout his PM cycle (Shot time 6/6 - AMPS, +3, +6, PMPS, +3, and +5 or +6 when I go to bed). Champ doesn't get treats when I test him because I only test him when he gets a meal (unless he goes low, but then he still doesn't get a treat since the testing doesn't bother him at all). He used to wake me up in the middle of the night for food so now, no matter what time I go to bed, either 11, 12, or 1 am, he doesn't get his last 1 ounce until my bedtime. You'll have to experiment with how much food per day will help him lose a slow steady amount of weight and what kind of treat to feed him during the day. I wish you much success. I know this will be harder on you than him!!!
 
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Ozy was getting about 230 calories a day, sometimes more.

I am trying to move him to 5 oz of his canned food and 1 oz of chicken for a total of about 200 cal. Is that about the same as what your are feeding your cat?

I was pretty sure Sandy didn't want me to change his food for a bit. Sandy????
 
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donaleen and Ozy said:
I was pretty sure Sandy didn't want me to change his food for a bit. Sandy????
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I don't have a problem with reducing his calories if you want to (however Ozy might object :cool: ). I know you know to take is slowly. If he looks like the number 8ish on that chart he needs to slim down a bit.
 
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He definitely needs to slim down, but did you read that he is skinny in his back part, he thins down there. We reweighed him and got 18.2 so he hasn't gained all that weight. I really think 16 lb is the right weight for him.

If 230 calories is recommended to lose weight for a cat whose normal weight is 16 lb, then if that cat is sedentary, how much more should it be cut back? Is 200 calories reasonable for him?

thanks
donaleen
 
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I'd take it easy and start with the recommended 230 kcal.
Give it a few weeks and see if it makes a difference. If not, you can always cut back some more.

At the same time I'd try to get him up and moving.

eta - I've been meaning to ask - how many more time adjustments remain before you get to the schedule you want?
 
Re: 1/8 Ozy AMPS-92,+2.5-173,+4-190,+6-180,+9-79

Thanks everybody for all the feeding ideas. I will be more vigilant about what he eats.
 
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