1/29 Garland AMPS 171 +7 250 PMPS 228

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Violet and Garland

Violet and Garland

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Well, those ketones are still high... Im getting nervous about them. She still seems fine though as far as behavior but still... nailbite_smile I did a urine test yesterday because these ketone strips are major expensive, and I want to make sure I have enough to get through this ketone spike. The urine test was negative, but I know the meter shows up first. Its still "trace" right now for the meter, but once it gets higher than 6.0, its in the bigger worrysome range

The dose increase seems to be kicking in AMPS 171

I tried adding water to her food yesterday, and she refused to eat it that way. Totally turned her nose up at it. Then last night I had to add a slightly higher carb food (FF grilled) to her LC to get her to eat it because she was mad at me about the water from before. She ate her normal, half a can this morning for breakfast, so maybe shes not mad at me anymore LOL

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Re: 1/29 Garland AMPS 171 -Ketones 4.0

Start syringe feeding if you have to.

Should you do some fluids?

Any signs of infection anywhere?
 
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Karrie and Maverick said:
Start syringe feeding if you have to.

Should you do some fluids?

Any signs of infection anywhere?
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No signs of infection that I can see. Shes not throwing up, shes not being lethargic, eyes are bright, no "wounds" anywhere on her. She looks fine as far as I can tell :?:

I dont know about the fluids. Im hoping the added insulin will help turn these ketones around, but I dont know how many days to wait
 
Re: 1/29 Garland AMPS 171 -Ketones 4.0

Ketones, be gone!!! Sorry, Violet... that's all I've got! Well, and prayers/vines/snowflakes for Garland's ketones to pass soon!!
 
Re: 1/29 Garland AMPS 171 -Ketones 4.0

Unless you have ketone ranges specific to Garland, 3.0 on your meter is equivalent to trace on a Ketostix. Can you see if Garland will drink chicken broth? You need to get fluid in somehow.
 
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Sienne and Gabby said:
Unless you have ketone ranges specific to Garland, 3.0 on your meter is equivalent to trace on a Ketostix. Can you see if Garland will drink chicken broth? You need to get fluid in somehow.
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The urine strip yesterday was beige. Didnt look pink at all when I held it up to the color scheme on the bottle. Do they go bad after awhile?

I can try broth, im sure she will like it. I do have one more bag of fluids here If I need to do some SQ for her. Last time her ketones got high and I opened a bag I only did one treatment and then never needed it again. Felt bad having to throw basically the whole thing out. Thats why I was holding off on opening it. But broth is a good idea. Ill try that. How much should I put down? Or should I just fill up a bowl and put it next to her water bowl?
 
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There should be an expiration date on the bottle of strips. They also need to be kept in a cool, dry place.

I'd put down 1/4 - 1/2 cup and see what Garland does with it. You might warm it up just a bit so it smells chickeny. If Garland likes freeze dried chicken treats, I'd add a few pieces, as well. If she likes this, then put more down periodically throughout the day.
 
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Sienne and Gabby said:
There should be an expiration date on the bottle of strips. They also need to be kept in a cool, dry place.

I'd put down 1/4 - 1/2 cup and see what Garland does with it. You might warm it up just a bit so it smells chickeny. If Garland likes freeze dried chicken treats, I'd add a few pieces, as well. If she likes this, then put more down periodically throughout the day.
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would beef broth work too? I have like 5 cans of that in the pantry
 
Re: 1/29 Garland AMPS 171 -Ketones 4.0

Would the high sodium amount in commercial broth be a problem Sienne? With my heart dog we made our own broth with chicken breast - no sodium.
 
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Low sodium broth should be fine. I don't think Garland has heart problems. I only keep low sodium in the house so I didn't think to clarify. Thanks, Karrie.

I don't think the type of broth makes a difference. Some cats are sensitive to beef products -- they can cause allergic reactions but if Garland likes beef, it should be fine. I do think Karrie's point about sodium content is worth considering, though.
 
Re: 1/29 Garland AMPS 171 -Ketones 4.0

I think those strips are only good too for a certain period of time after you open the bottle, did you write the date you opened them on the bottle & can you check it?

Calories will help fight the ketones too, you need to get the calories into her, I agree w/Karrie, syringe feed her if you have to, not too much at once, you don't want it coming back up.

Desi
 
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I dont have the low sodium kind, but she wouldnt touch it anyways. Shes eaten her normal amount of food today as she always had though. I dont know how to track how much water she's taking in though. Ive got two cats drinking out of the water bowl and I refresh the water every few hours (they are picky and dont like stale water) I did give her the juice from my canned chicken earlier when I made lunch. (the canned chicken you make chicken salad and stuff from) She loved that. Yesterday I gave her all the juice and a bit of chunks of tuna from a can of tuna in water.
 
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Well, Garland has started getting picky with her food. Thats not good news. Although she has been eating today, she is not very interested in her usual LC FF. Ive started giving her some of the higher carb FF just to get calories in her. If her ketones have not started to go down by morning, I am going to start SQ fluids tomorrow. I want to get ahead of this thing before it develops into another round of DKA. :sad:

Does this sound okay?
 
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I might try going ahead and mixing water in with food and syringing her so she is getting both.

Here's the deal on the canned broths, the chicken and/or tuna in water. Read the labels carefully!! Some of the companies are adding things to these broths and canned meats that our cats should not have. I saw a can of vegetable broth the other day that had high fructose corn syrup in it. Some manufacturers are putting vegetable broth with soy in with the tuna/chicken.....cats should not have these things nor should they have any broth with any onion product in it.

I boil a whole chicken down to nothing, squeeze the marrow out of the bones, and put it in baby food jars and freeze it. That's the only broth my cats ever get.

Not to worry you but you can't trust what people put in human products that could not be good for kitties.

And I'd be aggressive with the food/water or else give her a little subqs. And yes...once you open the bottle of ketostix, you should put the date on the lid. They are only good up to the expiration date if you don't open them...once you open them, they are only effective six months.
 
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Start syringe feeding or finger feeding. Syringe feed food you wouldn't normally feed remember. Wellness has 200 calories a can. I read some kitten food has more calories. If you get Iams MaxCal from the vet it is 330 calories a can and great for the calorie boost. I will call the company tomorrow to find out the carb content. Its the calories that count. How is the site that used to be infected. Any lumps in her neck in case it is still lingering? I saw the 4.0 ketones and I got spooked - I didn't know it meant trace.
 
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Hi Violet,
Shelton canned chicken chunks in water has only chicken and water and some salt, but not a lot. I buy it in the health food store.

Hope you get the ketone situatiOn under control.

Ella
 
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All I can contribute the strongest possible vines and energy for Garland...
sending those in waves!
 
Re: 1/29 Garland AMPS 171 -Ketones 4.0

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Thanks for all the healing vines everyone!! I hope we can get these ketones under control. I am starting SQ fluids tomorrow if there is still no change in that number. Fingers crossed for a low ketone read


DD & Tinkerbell said:
I think those strips are only good too for a certain period of time after you open the bottle, did you write the date you opened them on the bottle & can you check it?

Desi
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These strips were opened in October ( I wrote 10/11 on the bottle) So about 4 months I guess...?

Marjorie and Gracie said:
Here's the deal on the canned broths, the chicken and/or tuna in water. Read the labels carefully!! Some of the companies are adding things to these broths and canned meats that our cats should not have. I saw a can of vegetable broth the other day that had high fructose corn syrup in it. Some manufacturers are putting vegetable broth with soy in with the tuna/chicken.....cats should not have these things nor should they have any broth with any onion product in it.

I boil a whole chicken down to nothing, squeeze the marrow out of the bones, and put it in baby food jars and freeze it. That's the only broth my cats ever get.
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Thanks for the tip! I never thought of the additives in the canned. What a great idea for kittie broth. I may try to make some of that for her, I bet she would love it!

Karrie and Maverick said:
Start syringe feeding or finger feeding. Syringe feed food you wouldn't normally feed remember. Wellness has 200 calories a can. I read some kitten food has more calories. If you get Iams MaxCal from the vet it is 330 calories a can and great for the calorie boost. I will call the company tomorrow to find out the carb content. Its the calories that count. How is the site that used to be infected. Any lumps in her neck in case it is still lingering? I saw the 4.0 ketones and I got spooked - I didn't know it meant trace.
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Im a little nervous to syringe feed her. Over the last 6 months I have tried it 3 different times. All three, she threw it up. :shock: She's eating, just being picky... You think its okay I gave her some higher carb food earlier? I just wanted her to eat anything at that point. Ive never heard of IamsMaxCal.... I can go pick up some if you think that would be better than the FF?

The neck site looks great. You cant even tell there was ever anything there at all.
 
Violet -

If ketones are still up, what would you think about raising Garland's dose? Will you be able to monitor fairly closely. I think we'd all rather you have to give Garland HC than deal with ketones. Do you think she'll eat HC if it's offered?
 
Sienne and Gabby said:
Violet -

If ketones are still up, what would you think about raising Garland's dose? Will you be able to monitor fairly closely. I think we'd all rather you have to give Garland HC than deal with ketones. Do you think she'll eat HC if it's offered?
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I can monitor in the morning. Ill only be gone from 10-11:30 tomorrow. What do you want me to raise it too? She's at 4.5 now

When she gets picky like this, she really prefers HC food. So its okay to let her eat that right now?
 
With a cat that's got ketone issues, I'd feed whatever she'll eat. I would put notes on your SS, though. How about mixing some gravy with LC and see if that will tempt Garland?
 
Did you try assist feeding this early on - before she stopped eating completely? You can help avoid her appetite getting worse by keeping the calories up. I would try again but always assist feed a food she doesn't currently eat on her own. I'll post tomorrow morning with the carbs of the iams after I call them. Sienne has given advice on the food she will eat on her own.
 
Sienne- Thats what Im doing now. Mixing the two. I think she will eat more if I just give her the HC alone. Ill see how she does with her next feeding

Karrie- yea, the last time I tried was maybe a little later than this. Ketones were higher, she had started turning down the LC/HC mix I was tempting her with all together. I syringed fed her Recovery. But she was still licking on HC food.

But right now shes still eating, just not as much
 
Violet,

I agree w/Sienne. Let her eat whatever she wants, whatever she will. When Tawny wouldn't eat and wouldn't finger feed she absolutely inhaled a can of Recovery. Carbs are high, but she ate it. The important thing right now is to get Garland to eat.

I have seen the following suggestions in others' condos: baby food (the meat kind only, no veggies), ice cream, a hot fudge sundae, whatever she will eat, let her eat.

I don't know what to tell you about raising the dose, tho. I can tell you if it was my cat I would (1) let her eat anything she wanted and (2) syringe feed her water, about 15mls every 30 minutes or so.

Sending lots of ketone-clearing vines from down here in the swamps.

Desi & Tawny & The Gang
 
DD & Tinkerbell said:
Sienne and Gabby said:
I was kidding about the hot fudge sundae!
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:lol: :lol: :lol: Still, I will never forget it, it was such a classic way of getting the point across across! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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:lol: :lol: :lol: LMAO!! You two are a riot!!! I can only imagine the look on Garlands face if I offered her a hot fudge sundae :lol: :lol:
 
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