1/25 Gobbles PMPS 327 +4~410

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It could be a combination of the food and the bounce from the green numbers he's not used to, yet.
I think it's mostly the bounce. He'll come down.
 
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You may want to reconsider your feeding times. If you feed past nadir, you are giving food during the period when there is less insulin available to counterbalance the influence of food. If your cat's pancreas isn't kicking in, then the effect is that numbers will rise. Most of us do not feed after nadir. In other words, you may not want to feed as late as as you are.
 
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Sienne and Gabby said:
You may want to reconsider your feeding times. If you feed past nadir, you are giving food during the period when there is less insulin available to counterbalance the influence of food. If your cat's pancreas isn't kicking in, then the effect is that numbers will rise. Most of us do not feed after nadir. In other words, you may not want to feed as late as as you are.
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That makes sense. I set my alarm last night to get up early enough to take a +9 pm test (which I have never taken). I fed him thereafter and didn't think it was a big deal because his shot wasn't until 2 1/2 hours later. One thing: Gobby has always and still is a grazer (along with the two civvies). Is it possible for me to keep allowing him to graze. For example: I always leave food out at night, in case he was to go low. Yesterday we had gotten lots of tests with snacks in between, excepting that I withheld food completely until until after the initial dose, which for him was a long time. I would like to continue to allow him to be a grazer...that is what he always was and I'm hoping to not restrict his meal times (unless I get a low number AMBG).
 
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Leaving food out is fine. Frequent, small meals are easier on the pancreas. I just wouldn't supplement at +9 unless his numbers are running low.
 
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Sienne and Gabby said:
Leaving food out is fine. Frequent, small meals are easier on the pancreas. I just wouldn't supplement at +9 unless his numbers are running low.
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oh, i see. he didn't know what to make of mom getting up so early and was so excited i got dozens of face kissed, the toilet paper unrolled for me and pawing his cupboard. i thought that food should be held at least 2 hours before AMPS/PMPS.

BTW, as I type this, he is at +3 and patterning when he is feeling well. I have not tested him since AMPS.
 
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I agree with Dyana and Sienne and it is important to not slow down what is left of insulin action by feeding after nadir. But I think a very good point that Dyana makes is that most of this is probably bounce from yesterday's low numbers.
 
Re: ? 1/25 Gobbles AMPS 433 How Much Food Is "Healthy"?

I have another question (added to top & subject post). Please see my original posts as I am wondering if he is getting enough food.
 
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Marje and Gracie said:
I agree with Dyana and Sienne and it is important to not slow down what is left of insulin action by feeding after nadir. But I think a very good point that Dyana makes is that most of this is probably bounce from yesterday's low numbers.
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I am learning to "read" his SS and to me, it looks like his nadir is approximately +6 although there are numbers that don't reflect +6...what do you think his/close to, nadir? And how do I know to put the food up at night, at his nadir? What, set my alarm clock to put the food up...don't know if that's gonna happen...
 
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What, set my alarm clock to put the food up...don't know if that's gonna happen...
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:lol: Sure not gonna happen here either.
Not leaving food out overnight with this herd is not an option... If I get up before the alarm, I pick up what's left. If Simon's cleaned the bowls
an hour before I get up, so be it.. higher AMPS, I'll survive, and so will he. During the day I try to remember to pick up any leavings by +8-9.
No new food put out after +6-7.
I agree, Gobbles' nadir seems to be about +6, disregarding bounces. grumpy_cat
 
Re: ? 1/25 Gobbles AMPS 433 How Much Food Is "Healthy"?

TheBowHuntress said:
->->-> Another Question: Gobbles eats about 2 cans of FF per day (grazes currently). Is this enough food for a cat of about 12 pounds?
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What you want to ask yourself is whether he is currently maintaining his weight, gaining, or losing, and is that what you want him to be doing? So if he is at a good weight and maintaining, then it's a good amount of food. If he's losing and you don't want him to be losing, then increase the food a bit. Dr. Lisa has some good information on her website.

With regards to free feeding, you'll need to figure out what works best for Gobbles. How carb-sensitive is he? I can tell you what worked for Lucy, who is not overly sensitive to carbs. I continued to free-feed her during her feline diabetes journey, and still do. She munches whenever she wants, BUT she does eat the most when I first put down fresh food. So I put down fresh food only at AMPS and PMPS and left it out. She ate a good portion then, and would nibble throughout the day on the leftovers. If she was running low and I wanted her to eat during the cycle, I would crack open a new can and she was more than happy to have a snack. Conveniently, the food starts to get dryer and less appealing as the cycle goes on, so in the last few hours of the cycle she usually didn't eat much more. I never got up at +9 to pick it up, didn't have to because it didn't matter much in her numbers. Other cats will skyrocket with just a little bit of food, so that wouldn't work as well for them. Some people used timed feeders, and set the timer to rotate to an empty spot at +9 so kitty can't get to the food. Whatever works for you and your cat.
 
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Libby and Lucy said:
So if he is at a good weight and maintaining, then it's a good amount of food.

With regards to free feeding, you'll need to figure out what works best for Gobbles. ...I continued to free-feed her during her feline diabetes journey, and still do. She munches whenever she wants, BUT she does eat the most when I first put down fresh food. So I put down fresh food only at AMPS and PMPS and left it out...I never got up at +9 to pick it up, didn't have to because it didn't matter much in her numbers. Other cats will skyrocket with just a little bit of food, so that wouldn't work as well for them. Some people used timed feeders, and set the timer to rotate to an empty spot at +9 so kitty can't get to the food. Whatever works for you and your cat.
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At dx, he was 11.2 pounds. He's been holding 12.0 pounds since 1/12/13. He was averaging about 13.5 pounds before dx and I guess I'll admit he was a tad plump. I don't know what an "ideal" weight actually would be for him; presently, he does not look at all "skinny" but a healthy size...so after reading your post and thinking on it, I guess I'd answer my own ? and say 12.0 pounds :) Regarding feeding: no, he is not carb-sensitive. Actually, what works for me and my cats (2 darling civvie siblings) is to allow them to free feed. I too only put fresh can down at AM & PM, then "freshen it" with water if it drys out (and they like it kinda "soupy") BUT what about the "don't feed xx hours before AM/PM PS's" rule? Like today, I took the +9, then feed him--which he inhaled, then put the food up, then took his AMPS...and now we can't figure out if the 433 is a bounce and/or masked by the food. In a way, I don't think it matters because we're looking for trends and greens/blues/even yellows? Just curious, in a cat w/out diabetes--what is the average BG a few hours after a meal? I know, I know, I ask soooo many questions--sorry :)
 
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Bruce & Simon said:
What, set my alarm clock to put the food up...don't know if that's gonna happen...
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:lol: Sure not gonna happen here either.
Not leaving food out overnight with this herd is not an option... If I get up before the alarm, I pick up what's left. If Simon's cleaned the bowls
an hour before I get up, so be it.. higher AMPS, I'll survive, and so will he. During the day I try to remember to pick up any leavings by +8-9.
No new food put out after +6-7.
I agree, Gobbles' nadir seems to be about +6, disregarding bounces. grumpy_cat
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I'll trying putting the food up at +7 in a few hours (from AM)...better set my alarm clock :lol:
 
Re: ? 1/25 Gobbles AMPS 433 +4~333 Non-Diabetic Healthy #'s?

There is no "average BG" after eating. It depends on your cat, how your cat responds to food, etc. For many cats, eating stimulates their pancreas to release insulin which lowers their BG.
 
Re: ? 1/25 Gobbles AMPS 433 +4~333 Non-Diabetic Healthy #'s?

I agree that it all depends on the cat and how he reacts to food. Rusty free feeds and I never pick up his food 2 hours before PS. He grazes all day and all night. I put out his food in small installments at breakfast (AMPS), lunch (+5.5), tiny +9 snack, dinner (PMPS), and bedtime (+4.5). I use an autofeeder on days when I am not home at mid-day. But Rusty is a long-term diabetic, is well regulated, and does not bounce and dive. You really have to work out what works for you and Gobbles. There is no "magic formula"!

Good luck! Have a good weekend. Normal bg numbers for a non-diabetic cat are between 50 and 120.

Ella & Rusty
 
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