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Jill & Jade

Jill & Jade

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Bandit's Mom said:
You can always feed higher carbs before you leave at +4 if she is lower.

Will you be lowering your reduction point to 75?
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Yes. Can you try to explain ( so I can try to understand) how shooting this low number after looking at her SS is safe? Just so I have some peace of mind? I don't want to have to poke her all day long, she gets really upset and that has led to a cyctitis episode. Because she has been all pinks for days until this. I want to feel less anxious if I shoot her this morning.
 
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None of us possess a crystal ball, but the reason why Lantus is very effective in cats is it can grab a low number and keep it safe and steady. Testing as much as you can before +4 will give you an indication of where she is heading and what kind of carb level of food to leave for her while you are away.

You've got this Jill, take advantage of this lower number and shoot .75!
 
Katherine&Ruby said:
None of us possess a crystal ball, but the reason why Lantus is very effective in cats is it can grab a low number and keep it safe and steady. Testing as much as you can before +4 will give you an indication of where she is heading and what kind of carb level of food to leave for her while you are away.

You've got this Jill, take advantage of this lower number and shoot .75!
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Ok,thank you! I just did it....:nailbiting::nailbiting::nailbiting::nailbiting::nailbiting::nailbiting::nailbiting::nailbiting::nailbiting:
 
Katherine&Ruby said:
None of us possess a crystal ball, but the reason why Lantus is very effective in cats is it can grab a low number and keep it safe and steady. Testing as much as you can before +4 will give you an indication of where she is heading and what kind of carb level of food to leave for her while you are away.

You've got this Jill, take advantage of this lower number and shoot .75!
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Ruby sure is pretty!
 
Katherine&Ruby said:
That’s a good number. There’s carbs from her shot time meal factored in. I would feed at +2 and test at +3. Hopefully after that you will be good until +7 when you get back!
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She had a big breakfast so I don’t think she will eat again for a bit. I’ll test at +3 and see where she is. I have some wiggle room on what time I’ll be leaving at this afternoon.
 
That’s fine. Ruby had a habit of dropping low at +3 when she was tightly regulated before steroids so I would feed her at +2, +4, and + 6. I figured out how many calories she needed in a day and portioned her food accordingly. If she had a lower than usual preshot number, I had 7 and 8% carb food to prop her up. Feeding the curve becomes an art, where you weigh the onset and waning of insulin with the cat’s caloric needs. If you look at Ruby’s 2021 spreadsheet, I kept insane notes on what I fed her and when.
 
Katherine&Ruby said:
That’s fine. Ruby had a habit of dropping low at +3 when she was tightly regulated before steroids so I would feed her at +2, +4, and + 6. I figured out how many calories she needed in a day and portioned her food accordingly. If she had a lower than usual preshot number, I had 7 and 8% carb food to prop her up. Feeding the curve becomes an art, where you weigh the onset and waning of insulin with the cat’s caloric needs. If you look at Ruby’s 2021 spreadsheet, I kept insane notes on what I fed her and when.
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Jade is a bit of a free eater. She stands by her bowl when she’s hungry and I give her a Sheba portions container. She eats part and leaves a bit for a snack. I mix it with A LOT of water. Her insulin usually kicks in around +3.
 
Each Sheba portion is about 2 oz if I remembering correctly? I was home a lot before, so I would feed an ounce at shot time and then a half ounce for the three other meals each cycle, more for each portion if the calorie count was low (I fed a lot of Weruva). Perfect schedule for cats who like to graze.
 
Katherine&Ruby said:
Each Sheba portion is about 2 oz if I remembering correctly? I was home a lot before, so I would feed an ounce at shot time and then a half ounce for the three other meals each cycle, more for each portion if the calorie count was low (I fed a lot of Weruva). Perfect schedule for cats who like to graze.
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It’s 2.6 oz a portion. She doesn’t always eat the whole thing at once but will eat, play for a bit, use the litter box and then eat the rest. I feed her several times a day. She used to eat FF pate but she really likes the Sheba and it’s nice and soft.
 
Katherine&Ruby said:
Each Sheba portion is about 2 oz if I remembering correctly? I was home a lot before, so I would feed an ounce at shot time and then a half ounce for the three other meals each cycle, more for each portion if the calorie count was low (I fed a lot of Weruva). Perfect schedule for cats who like to graze.
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Actually, it’s 1.3 oz per portion.
 
If she slips into the “take action” range, how was shooting this low a good thing? She’s already earned a reduction at 75. I’m sure she’s going
To keep going lower than she is right now. Help
Me to understand?
 
Now i feel like I am left with no choice but to repeatedly poke her for the next few hours which stresses her out to possibly having a bout of cystitis and not being able to comfortably leave her at all.
I really do need some help here as I am feeling angry and horribly guilty for putting her in this low # range and having to feed her HC food so she doesn’t hypo.
 
If you're following SLGS, the standard reduction point is 90. You reduce when the cat is at 89, or 75, but not at 90. I would hold this dose because she hasn't dropped below your reduction point of 75. Here is why:

The study upon which the methods on this forum is based showed that cats who spent more time in euglycemic numbers (50-100 on a human meter) have a higher chance of healing the pancreas and getting to remission.

Having Jade spend more time in low blues and high greens will help her body get more used to being in these numbers and prevent the bouncing to high numbers.

You can test her again in an hour. You're doing really well, Jill. There will be a happy medium between these lows you are seeing and the highs that upset you as well. You did the right thing by shooting low.
 
Katherine&Ruby said:
If you're following SLGS, the standard reduction point is 90. You reduce when the cat is at 89, or 75, but not at 90. I would hold this dose because she hasn't dropped below your reduction point of 75. Here is why:

The study upon which the methods on this forum is based showed that cats who spent more time in euglycemic numbers (50-100 on a human meter) have a higher chance of healing the pancreas and getting to remission.

Having Jade spend more time in low blues and high greens will help her body get more used to being in these numbers and prevent the bouncing to high numbers.

You can test her again in an hour. You're doing really well, Jill. There will be a happy medium between these lows you are seeing and the highs that upset you as well. You did the right thing by shooting low.
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But she’s at 58… thats not a safe number. Isn’t that basically forcing a reduction? Now I have to skip a shot this evening.
 
58 is too low on the AT. Please feed her some high carb food and/or karo and test again in 30 minutes.

You don't have to skip tonight, unless she's too low then or you won't be home.
 
Wendy&Neko said:
58 is too low on the AT. Please feed her some high carb food and/or karo and test again in 30 minutes.

You don't have to skip tonight, unless she's too low then or you won't be home.
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I know it’s too low. That’s why I’m so upset. Why should I have given her .75 this morning when I knew it was a bounce? Or at least not a gradual number to have gotten to.
 
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It wasn't a bounce, but rather a bounce breaking cycle today. Going lower is not always predictable. On 1/15 you skipped instead of shooting a green PS after a bounce breaking cycle during the day, and she zoomed right up again.
 
Wendy&Neko said:
It wasn't a bounce, but rather a bounce breaking cycle today. Going lower is not always predictable. On 1/15 you skipped instead of shooting a green PS after a bounce breaking cycle during the day, and she zoomed right up again.
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She’s at 123 @+4 after HC food.
I stated in my original post that I would be gone from +4-+7. I’m guessing I would have possibly come back to a very very sick cat had I not been able to rearrange some things.
 
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Wendy&Neko said:
And you've kept her safe.:bighug:
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110@4.5
How should I proceed? I guess I need to know at what point I can feel like she is truly safe and not just experiencing a carb rush so I can stop poking her. It’s very stress inducing when I have to do it this often. She did just have a bit to eat. LC with a drop of gravy.
 
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At what point in the cycle did you give high carb food? +3.5? If so, it's been an hour. High carbs takes a couple hours to wear off. With her numbers over 100, you can lengthen out the time between tests. If you test in another hour and she hasn't dropped far, you are good to go. You can feed LC now if you'd like to see if you can get her to surf here. These are nice numbers for her.
 
Wendy&Neko said:
At what point in the cycle did you give high carb food? +3.5? If so, it's been an hour. High carbs takes a couple hours to wear off. With her numbers over 100, you can lengthen out the time between tests. If you test in another hour and she hasn't dropped far, you are good to go. You can feed LC now if you'd like to see if you can get her to surf here. These are nice numbers for her.
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Ok, thank you. I will test her again at +5.5 since she just had a snack.
 
Wendy&Neko said:
If it was just an LC snack, +5.5 would also be OK.
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I’ll wait til +6 just to be on the safe side. There was a drop or two of HC gravy still on the spoon when I mixed water in with her LC snack. She didn’t eat much, but she reacts pretty quickly to carbs.
 
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