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Photorecon

Photorecon

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Good morning all,

This morning, like yesterday, I'm pretty proud of Small Kitty. He was able to fight red during one single night (cycle). The question is WHY ? Why red is taking over pretty much every day. Is bouncing the only reason why he's up and down so quickly ? That's a mystery. While looking at his teeth and witch had been remove,
I spotted a red line following all teeth (on top). The veterinarian did not recommend doing anything after dental (same thing for Big Brother). For both they told me it went very well and they're was no pain, the teeth remove went by themselves.

I cheated a little yesterday. Was suppose not to give any food until midnight but with Small Kitty in the medium high scale he was complaining for food. So gave him some Wellness grain free MC food. They jumped on it like a men having spent a week in the desert with no food :). This food has no meat (visible), it's just thick mod, so it was perfect for Big Brother. He never complain, was just sticking on me like dock tape on a box.

Do you think I should do like the cheat sheet said and clean with peroxide for Small Kitty and his
gingivitis or whatever it is ? Or go with antibiotic I have left from Big Brother who had the same
thing ? He has no trouble eating, it's just a sight and he's not complaining.

On this coffee time, enjoy your day, shower raining here, umbrella will be needed.

Sébastien
Yesterday
 
Photorecon said:
was just sticking on me like dock tape on a box.
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It really does have a very thick, gooey constancy. Gizmo loves it (LC).

Can't offer anything on dental issues but will watch replies as Gizmo will need cleaning soon.

Have a great day. Great start for SK.
 
Nice start for SK. Sometimes when they are crying for food you have to just give in like you did. Maybe some LC food , just a tsp or so would be better than the MC although his numbers today aren't bad.

When they did the dental on SK, didn't they clean his teeth also? or did they just remove a bad tooth? Usually they do both at the same time so I am not sure why you would be seeing a red line at the gum line which indicates inflammation or gingivitis. I am not familiar with using peroxide on the gums for kitties. Did the vet recommend peroxide? it might be worth a call to them to ask why you are still seeing a red line.

SK remains a very bouncy kitty and looks like he is clearing the bounce from 1/8 NS and lower number. This last bounce has left him wobbling a bit but the depot is trying to stabilize as well. This is day 4 since then and he is back in blues. Keep up the good work SK!
 
It's nice to see SK come back down from the bounce so quickly. I hope he surfs safely today. I'm not sure about his teeth. I'd call the vet and ask.
 
Nice AMPS Small Kitty! :cat:

I don't have any advice on the teeth. I would call the vet and ask. Seems crazy to me that he would have gingivitis this soon after the dental. :bighug::bighug:

I hope you have a good day Sebastien.
 
Bobbie And Bubba said:
didn't they clean his teeth also
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They did the cleaning also, the blood vessels or whatever it was that were reaching the side of
the teeth are gone. Could be inflammation but a 2 weeks is quite a long time for symptoms to
appear. Know that diabetic pet are more susceptible to infection, will call my vet in the hope that
no observation is needed. Going there is quite a ride.
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Small Kitty has been giving bean a rough time :blackeye: much love Fluff and I will send your way! Hopefully you can find out what to do about that suspected gingivitis :( I know Fluffy has some, but it is apparently so mild the vets haven't even bothered at all with suggesting anything. :blackeye:
 
I did call the vet today but didn't receive any callback to know if I should do something about the gingivitis.
Might go with the antibiotic I have left from when the same thing that happen with Big Brother. After
7 days of treatment the red line was gone. The air battle must have been ferocious today as the machine
guns are still red hot (439). Hope the enemy fighter will give Small Kitty a little break. In the mean time
both brothers will be given a ride outside tonight, it's 4 degree and they're scraping the windows to go out.

Thanks for your advice on the jaws, will give a second call to the vet tomorrow, or she will call back
this evening, maybe.
 
Alex was very prone to gingivitis. It even knocked her out of remission in 2009. Most vets don't believe in pulse therapy with an antibiotic, but a monthly pulse therapy dose of clindamycin, administered twice a day for 7 days every month, solved the problem for her.
 
Jill & Alex (GA) said:
pulse therapy with an antibiotic, but a monthly pulse therapy dose of clindamycin, administered twice a day for 7 days
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That's EXACTLY the strategy that fixed Big Brother's problem. Clavasptin twice for 7 days, he resumed eating right after
and had nice gums. My father got the meds by go to his own vet that got him the antibiotic by putting the prescription
on one of his cat medical records. Still have exactly 7 days of medication and the label says : Ren : Life time.

Do you imagine having dropping numbers with something as simple !

Small Kitty is nowhere near addiction to antibiotic, he only needed it twice in his life time.
 
Sébastien,
I agree about steering clear of using hydrogen peroxide in Small Kittie's mouth. It debrides healing tissue and, of swallowed, can induce vomiting.

If you're thinking about an oral rinse:
How about diluting a small amount (no more than a capful) of apple cider vinegar in a cup of warm water and use that to wipe the affected area?Welcoming opinions of others more experienced than me.

Also, I agree with Jill's suggestion that clindamycin might be the go to antibiotic for dental after care. I'm not sure about the shelf life of it once it's been prepared. Civie Azalea was on it...correction was on clavamox ....after her eye enucleation surgery (coincidentally, her periodic gum flare ups cleared up for a few weeks after while on it). The package instructions said to discard unused portion ten days after it was prepared.

Hang in there!
Sina

ETA: pharmaceutical brain fog: civie azalea was on clavamox after her eye removal surgery.
 
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HWright said:
apple cider vinegar in a cup of warm water and use that to wipe the affected area
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That could be a good idea. The vet mentioned finding a way to kill bacteria in one way or another by
cleaning teeth but could not advise on what to use that would not affect GL.

Apple cider vinegar ? Can find this for sure.

Thanks Sina !
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Photorecon said:
That's EXACTLY the strategy that fixed Big Brother's problem. Clavasptin twice for 7 days, he resumed eating right after and had nice gums.
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I'm pretty sure Clavasptin is the same as what is known as Clavamox in the United States. It should work. My only concern is Clavasptin might be a little harder on his tummy than Clindamycin. It could give him diarrhea. Also, with Clavasptin you'll want to double check his gums after 7 days because it's possible he'll need another 7 day course of treatment.
HWright said:
I agree about steering clear of using hydrogen peroxide in Small Kittie's mouth. It debrides healing tissue and, of swallowed, can induce vomiting.
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I also agree. There's no way I'd use hydrogen peroxide in a cat's mouth.
HWright said:
How about diluting a small amount (no more than a capful) of apple cider vinegar in a cup of warm water and use that to wipe the affected area?
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I think the antibiotic would make an oral rinse unnecessary. That said, I have heard some people put a drop of apple cider vinegar in their kitty's water bowl. I've never done it myself. You should really talk to your vet before trying an oral rinse or using apple cider vinegar.
 
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HWright said:
Also, I agree with Jill's suggestion that clindamycin might be the go to antibiotic for dental after care. I'm not sure about the shelf life of it once it's been prepared. Civie Azalea was on it after her eye enucleation surgery (coincidentally, her periodic gum flare ups cleared up for a few weeks after while on it). The package instructions said to discard unused portion ten days after it was prepared.
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I steer clear of suspensions whenever possible because all too often there's sugar added to make suspension more palatable... not what we want for our diabetics. Clavasptin or Clindamycin tablets should have a very long shelf life.
 
Ah, yes, sweeteners likely in oral suspensions and even in some pills. It's all a crap shoot.

I correct my earlier about the a/b that civie Azalea was on after her eye removal surgery (and during recovery her gum infection cleared up): i just checked: it was Clavamox oral suspension not clindamycin.
Sorry about my pharmaceutical brain fog. She didn't have any digestive probs with it maybe because all the cats get probiotics in their food and a bit more during antibiotic treatments.

As for whether or not apple cider vinegar would interfere with antibiotics I don't know. My hunch is that ACV is supportive of not competitive to antibiotics, the latter tending to impact all bacteria including the beneficial ones in the gut. ACV contains lots of nutrients and helps the body to attain/maintain normal ph balance.

I add small amounts...like a 1/2 capful to the cats' food and yes, to their water bowls. They're ok with it. The raw unfiltered organic apple cider vinegar, such as Bragg's, has the "mother" in it ...all the good stuff.
 
The antibiotic I have, Clavaseptin 62.5 mg says :
Amoxicillin/Clavulanic Acid Chewable Tablets. They came
individually sealed so expiration should not be a problem.

Did not allowed Big Brother to chew on this, put his head back and threw the tablet in his
mouth.

Think I will start with that then go with the vinegar thing. One thing is sure is that some cleaning / antibacterial system
will need to be put together. Not going to spend 250$ per cat every year and have all teeth removed over time..
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HWright said:
ACV contains lots of nutrients and helps the body to attain/maintain normal ph balance.
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That's extremely interesting, think I'll study on this and add it to the food (I'm not even sure the Brothers are touching their water bowl,
that's why I dilute food with water. Only one time I've seen Small Kitty drink and there is 2 rectangular bowl of fresh water changed
twice a day. The is particules of hair and food in the bowl so they must drink but not sure how much.
 
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LizzieInTexas said:
Try and find this one. We can get it in the states at local grocery stores, Walmart, etc. Bottle is about $4 US.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-wVMTgh2-X...iCxDScnr8/s400/bragg-apple-cider-vinegar1.gif

Also, not sure you want to use full strength, maybe someone can chime is with dilution strength. Full strength is pretty powerful.
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Sébastien et al,
Yep...Bragg's ACV...that's it!
I agree about not using it full strength...diluted is much better. Also, diluted cuts the stringent scent of it.

I'd start slow with a few drops (which is barely a dollop's worth at bottom of the Bragg's bottle cap) in a cup or so of water.

Yes, I add it to cats' food (I also dilute their food with water for same reasons that you do). A few drops of ACV in food. I add about a capful when making larger batch of food. Very handy.

BBL: DH obliging with supper;) he gets insistent at fud time, just like a kittie!
 
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Photorecon said:
The antibiotic I have, Clavaseptin 62.5 mg says :
Amoxicillin/Clavulanic Acid Chewable Tablets. They came
individually sealed so expiration should not be a problem.

Did not allowed Big Brother to chew on this, put his head back and threw the tablet in his
mouth.

Think I will start with that then go with the vinegar thing. One thing is sure is that some cleaning / antibacterial system
will need to be put together. Not going to spend 250$ per cat every year and have all teeth removed over time..
.
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Good to know that antibiotic pills last longer! The oral suspension antibiotic definitely has very short shelf life bc it's a predosed powder in a little bottle mixed with water for dosing 7-10 days.

Hope all goes well. Do you include probiotic in diet?
 
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