02/19 Butters PMPS 59

Butters & Lyla

Butters & Lyla

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Yesterday overnight, very little sleep tbh. That wasn't entirely on Butters, though I did have to wake her up to eat her snacks and to check her BG #s. Then she woke me up @+11 demanding food, so I checked her and she was 56. I fed her so her AMPS was higher: 81. Looks like she had a +11 nadir.

Are cats with late nadirs fed differently or should they be? Just curious. I tend to front load Butters' food a little bit but I give her snacks later in the cycle because of her pancreatitis and tendency to vomit foam if she goes for too many hours without food. Does this just work out well for me that she nadirs late, since my understanding is that it's best not to feed after nadir?
I don't know if what I'm asking makes sense.
Have a good day (or night:cat: since I'm posting late for me:p)
 
Wendy&Neko said:
Remarks for today just says one thing "z". I think that was you hoping for zzzz.:p:D
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I have become completely obsessed with sleep:joyful:. It even shows in my spreadsheet!

Hercule's mum said:
I don't know how you manage, Lyla. A few nights of constant testing and I am exhausted! In case butters doesn't say it, i'll do it: You are awesome!
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Awe! Thanks Karen:bighug:. It is exhausting but you're doing an amazing job keeping Hercs safe!!!
 
My what a lovely green day! But sheesh...what's up with the late nadirs? I wish I had some insight into that...

You're doing a great job Lyla! I hope you can get some sleep some time soon...
 
Cute AMPS. Cute PMPS.

Please tell more about the noisy scene being filmed. Inquiring minds need to know :p

Butters is looking beautiful in green. Sending sleep to you and sending "hear the autofeeder and get up and eat" to Butters.
 
I used Neko's later nadir as an excuse to feed her around +9 or +9.5. Two reasons for that. One - before FD, she had gotten a meal around that time, and Neko was a traditionalist about food, it was very hard to break her of that habit! Two - it gave her a little food later in the cycle, and hopefully prevented too much diving into preshot. I guess three reasons, it worked out better for more frequent meals with onset of CKD. With the later nadir was a later onset. So that meant not feeding quite as much early in the cycle before, as that time was still technically "after nadir".
 
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Butters, let mama get some well needed rest tonight!

Billo is behaving similar to Butters, she nadirs late, usually around +6/+7 or +8, and occasionally +10/+11. It's really random. I haven't been able to get to the root of whether it has to do with the feeding or not bc I've kept up with her feeding schedule. Maybe Butters and Billo just like to keep us on our feet, sigh :banghead:

Have a good evening, Lyla!
 
JaxBenji said:
Please tell more about the noisy scene being filmed. Inquiring minds need to know :p
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I just re-read my post five times trying to figure out where I said that. I forgot what a spreadsheet stalker you are:p.

What sounded like a car backfiring kept going on for a while:confused: and people shouting. Then there is a scissor lift with a camera on it and every time it goes by, my house shakes:eek:. One scene has been a roughly 12 year old kid riding his BMX bike down the street. I think they did that take about 100 times at least. He must have been exhausted. Apparently they couldn't decide if he should wear a toque or a helmet so they kept switching it. It took them two days, multiple outfit changes, and various camera positions before they were satisfied. They filmed using the scissor lift and then using a Tesla with a camera coming off the back of it. It was soooo loud every time they went by. I don't know why! Butters was displeased.

My street is currently standing in for a Chicago suburb in the 1980s:confused:. Last week my street was the backdrop for Handmaid's Tale and they use a specific house a few doors away for one of the characters. I think this says volumes about where I live:p.
 
Wendy&Neko said:
I used Neko's later nadir as an excuse to feed her around +9 or +9.5. Two reasons for that. One - before FD, she had gotten a meal around that time, and Neko was a traditionalist about food, it was very hard to break her of that habit! Two - it gave her a little food later in the cycle, and hopefully prevented too much diving into preshot. I guess three reasons, it worked out better for more frequent meals with onset of CKD. With the later nadir was a later nadir. So that meant not feeding quite as much early in the cycle before, as that time was still technically "after nadir".
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Thank you! This is what I'm missing about the later nadir. I always feed butters something around +9 or +9.5, too but still front load her food early in the cycle.

So when you say a later nadir meant feeding not quite as much early in the cycle before....but do you mean the cycle after the nadir? If she nadirs at +11, do I adjust her food for the cycle immediately after and give her less early on? Onset happens later too, right? WHen I look at Butters's SS, I think she onsets more often around +3 than +2. What do you think? I'm never really sure whether to get a +2 or stick with the +3...occasionally she will dive then (rare I think...but it happens).
 
Wendy&Neko said:
With the later nadir was a later onset.
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Corrected above. :banghead: So yes, after shot time and before it's onset is still part of the (fading) insulin action of the previous shot. So before onset is still after nadir of the previous shot. What we call a "food bump" is partly a bump from food, and partly just the insulin wearing off from the previous host before onset. If onset is even later, the insulin will wear off even more.

I had stalked your SS and wondered about the filming too, glad Suzanne asked the question. Inquiring minds...;) Fortunately we haven't had filming in our 'hood, though the cove where we row gets to play many coastal towns in the US, and they hog the parking lots. :mad: Then there's the time Ben Affleck sat at the table behind me for dinner with Jennifer #2. As DH said, don't turn around, but...
 
Wendy&Neko said:
Corrected above. :banghead: So yes, after shot time and before it's onset is still part of the (fading) insulin action of the previous shot. So before onset is still after nadir of the previous shot. What we call a "food bump" is partly a bump from food, and partly just the insulin wearing off from the previous host before onset. If onset is even later, the insulin will wear off even more.
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The other thing I'm wondering is with a late nadir, especially a +12 nadir which butters has sometimes, can you still use the +2 to gauge what type of cycle kitty will have? We say that if +2 is lower, expect an active cycle, if similar, expect probably a normal curve...etc. But we say this is a gauge for "most but not all cats". Is it fair to say that it is not a good gauge when the nadir is @+12?
Is it possible for onset to be even later than +3? +4, even?
People are told to get a +2 and get a before bed test (that's +3.5ish for me in my ideal fantasy world:p). Should I be getting a +3 and then a "before bed" of +5 to really be sure of where her cycle might be going?
And then perhaps a +9/+10 (instead of the midcycle test that others would wake up to get when kitty is green)? Does this make sense? I don't know why I am questioning how I am testing and feeding all of a sudden. I feel like I could be doing a better job but not sure why.
 
Wendy&Neko said:
I had stalked your SS and wondered about the filming too, glad Suzanne asked the question. Inquiring minds...;) Fortunately we haven't had filming in our 'hood, though the cove where we row gets to play many coastal towns in the US, and they hog the parking lots. :mad: .
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You get lots of filming activity around Vancouver. We get a lot around Toronto but not as much. It can be a nuisance but good for the city's pockets I guess?! Is it deep cove? I know there are many coves. But I go there to kayak whenever I visit Vancouver.

Wendy&Neko said:
Then there's the time Ben Affleck sat at the table behind me for dinner with Jennifer #2. As DH said, don't turn around, but...
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That's cool! :joyful: Lol. "don't turn around, but..." is the surest way to get me to turn around.
 
Butters & Lyla said:
The other thing I'm wondering is with a late nadir, especially a +12 nadir which butters has sometimes, can you still use the +2 to gauge what type of cycle kitty will have? We say that if +2 is lower, expect an active cycle, if similar, expect probably a normal curve...etc. But we say this is a gauge for "most but not all cats". Is it fair to say that it is not a good gauge when the nadir is @+12?
Is it possible for onset to be even later than +3? +4, even?
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+2 never worked for me, even on Lantus. +3 was better. ECID and it took experimenting to find what was the best predictor. Neko's Lev nadir was +5, I haven't seen anything that late for Lantus. I also found the change from +9 or +10 to preshot was a good indicator.

Yes on Deep Cove. Our boathouse is the upstairs of the kayak rental shop.
 
I remember when Deadpool was filmed here in Vancouver...I was working downtown at the time and they blocked the bridge on my route for weeks :confused: Had to go all the way around to get to work.

PS. I love kayaking :)
 
Butters & Lyla said:
I always feed butters something around +9 or +9.5, too but still front load her food early in the cycle.
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I have been wondering the same thing! Hercs is also going straight down most cycles, rarely ever giving a smile.... I was thiking about starting to feed him at +2, because I usually get a big food bump at +2 anyway, but Wendy discourage me from doing so, and Butter don't seen to show the same food bump.... I am trying more recently feeding smaller portions in the beggining of the cycle (just to make sure he doesn't fall through, and larger ones at +5 and +7..... I have also gotten in the habit of testing at +10. It is very annoying!
 
Butters & Lyla said:
You get lots of filming activity around Vancouver. We get a lot around Toronto but not as much. It can be a nuisance but good for the city's pockets I guess?! Is it deep cove? I know there are many coves. But I go there to kayak whenever I visit Vancouver.


That's cool! :joyful: Lol. "don't turn around, but..." is the surest way to get me to turn around.[/QUO
Butters & Lyla said:
You get lots of filming activity around Vancouver. We get a lot around Toronto but not as much. It can be a nuisance but good for the city's pockets I guess?! Is it deep cove? I know there are many coves. But I go there to kayak whenever I visit Vancouver.


That's cool! :joyful: Lol. "don't turn around, but..." is the surest way to get me to turn around.
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I just saw this! .... But in Toronto you get Murdoch! Have you ever seen Yannick Bisson?
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