Do Daa's PZ Dosing Thread2

Flat yellows can sometimes be predictive of a bounce clearing cycle. If it is, you might see, at least, more blue :)
 
It would be good to get a +7 tonight if you can. When clearing a bounce, they can drop quickly.

Blue numbers are safe. He might drop fast...that does happen. It takes time to get used to the lower numbers. It is scary if they drop quickly. That’s why it’s important you have a hypo toolbox.
 
Marje and Gracie said:
It would be good to get a +7 tonight if you can. When clearing a bounce, they can drop quickly.

Blue numbers are safe. He might drop fast...that does happen. It takes time to get used to the lower numbers. It is scary if they drop quickly. That’s why it’s important you have a hypo toolbox.
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SS Updated. Only managed the +3 not the +7.

However, he is down into the Blues again. Hopefully not like the 20th.....
 
Goose said:
SS Updated. Only managed the +3 not the +7.

However, he is down into the Blues again. Hopefully not like the 20th.....
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Very good! Let’s see what he does tonight; I would think since the numbers headed up, you should have at least yellow for his PMPS.
 
It’s looking to me like the dose reduction failed. We can see where he is tomorrow but the dose might need to go back up.
 
Marje and Gracie said:
Let’s see if he sees some green tonight. If he doesn’t, he needs a dose increase.
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Hi,

I have a question, I'm not sure if I asked it before. The Vet wanted him between 150-250. Does having him in the Greens run the risk of him crashing sooner and us not catching it?
 
Goose said:
Hi,

I have a question, I'm not sure if I asked it before. The Vet wanted him between 150-250. Does having him in the Greens run the risk of him crashing sooner and us not catching it?
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Vets always have a higher range of numbers because they aren’t available to you 24/7. For us, 150-250 is too high and you’ll never have the chance to get him into remission at that range. Plus, those numbers are getting over the renal threshold which is the point where the kidneys can’t handle all the sugar and it gets dumped into the urine.

The tools to keep him from “crashing ” is testing and food. That doesn’t mean his BG might not got lower....sometimes they surprise us as you saw the other night but you caught the slide!

You might want to look at the Start Low Go Slow method. This mentions Lantus but it’s the same for PZ.
 
Marje and Gracie said:
Vets always have a higher range of numbers because they aren’t available to you 24/7. For us, 150-250 is too high and you’ll never have the chance to get him into remission at that range. Plus, those numbers are getting over the renal threshold which is the point where the kidneys can’t handle all the sugar and it gets dumped into the urine.

The tools to keep him from “crashing ” is testing and food. That doesn’t mean his BG might not got lower....sometimes they surprise us as you saw the other night but you caught the slide!

You might want to look at the Start Low Go Slow method. This mentions Lantus but it’s the same for PZ.
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Well, Remission is what we want. I does make sense that the Vet would want those numbers, it keeps it safe for them not the cat. Also keeps you coming back and spending more money on testing there and never really solving any of the problems. That is why this place and people including yourself, are extremely helpful to people/cats going through this.

Merry Christmas!
 
Goose said:
Well, Remission is what we want. I does make sense that the Vet would want those numbers, it keeps it safe for them not the cat. Also keeps you coming back and spending more money on testing there and never really solving any of the problems. That is why this place and people including yourself, are extremely helpful to people/cats going through this.

Merry Christmas!
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We try. We have a pretty good success rate :)

Merry Christmas to you all, too. If you can add any tests in that you take tonight, I’ll post about dose before I go to bed.
 
Marje and Gracie said:
We try. We have a pretty good success rate :)

Merry Christmas to you all, too. If you can add any tests in that you take tonight, I’ll post about dose before I go to bed.
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SS Updated. 325 but he ate a lot of food at his 9pm shot time.

We haven't re-weighted him yet, but he has gotten more dense, he is heavier than before which I believe was like just over 14 pounds.
 
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Marje and Gracie said:
We try. We have a pretty good success rate :)

Merry Christmas to you all, too. If you can add any tests in that you take tonight, I’ll post about dose before I go to bed.
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SS Updated. We shot him today with 6u. He went up tonight to 446, we believe, due to the fact that he snuck some melted ice cream.

We haven't re-weighted him yet, but he has gotten more dense, he is heavier than before which I believe was like just over 14 pounds.
 
Glad to hear there's a reason for that red. Can you please make a note of that in the remarks just so we know when looking back on the numbers.

Is he heavier now than pre-diabetes or just re-gaining weight he lost due to the diabetes? It's important not to let him get overweight.
 
MrWorfMen's Mom said:
Glad to hear there's a reason for that red. Can you please make a note of that in the remarks just so we know when looking back on the numbers.

Is he heavier now than pre-diabetes or just re-gaining weight he lost due to the diabetes? It's important not to let him get overweight.
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Pre-diabetes he was 18lbs. So we believe that because he isn't eating all that much in the course of the day, that he is just re-gaining more muscle mass and not just fat. One can of FF in a 24hr period and a rounded 1/3 of a cup of CP is all he's eating.
 
He may need more calories to gain back what he's lost and rebuild his muscle mass. Right now he's getting roughly 270 or so. If he is hungry, it's ok to let him eat more. Unregulated diabetics can't process their food properly so they need more calories than usual to get the nutrition they need. At 18lbs. Do Daa would need about 315 calories per day.
 
Sorry I didn’t get back around but I’m really happy you took the dose back up.

Was he overweight at 18 lbs or could you feel his ribs and see his waist?
 
MrWorfMen's Mom said:
He may need more calories to gain back what he's lost and rebuild his muscle mass. Right now he's getting roughly 270 or so. If he is hungry, it's ok to let him eat more. Unregulated diabetics can't process their food properly so they need more calories than usual to get the nutrition they need. At 18lbs. Do Daa would need about 315 calories per day.
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He did manage to eat an entire can today in a 9hr period, so that's a plus. He isn't at a want for food at any time, he just likes to graze which can be annoying.
 
Marje and Gracie said:
Sorry I didn’t get back around but I’m really happy you took the dose back up.

Was he overweight at 18 lbs or could you feel his ribs and see his waist?
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SS Updated. He stayed a little higher today.
He was a little on the heavy side at 18lbs. You couldn't feel his ribs or see his waist, as far as I can remember, it was awhile ago.
 
Goose said:
SS Updated. He stayed a little higher today.
He was a little on the heavy side at 18lbs. You couldn't feel his ribs or see his waist, as far as I can remember, it was awhile ago.
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Lots of pink yesterday. Hopefully, he’s seen some better numbers today.

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Marje and Gracie said:
Lots of pink yesterday. Hopefully, he’s seen some better numbers today.

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SS Updated. More pink.

I PM'd you above the above.
 
Looks like he needs a dose increase to 6.5u unless you see some blue tonight. Possible to get a +3 and +7? I don’t like raising him without knowing if he’s sneaking down a bit.

Thank you.
 
Marje and Gracie said:
Looks like he needs a dose increase to 6.5u unless you see some blue tonight. Possible to get a +3 and +7? I don’t like raising him without knowing if he’s sneaking down a bit.

Thank you.
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SS Updated.
Only managed a +3. He was given a 6u shot and he hit a Blue at +3 (141) this morning, back up slightly because of food at +5.5 (216).
 
Goose said:
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Only managed a +3. He was given a 6u shot and he hit a Blue at +3 (141) this morning, back up slightly because of food at +5.5 (216).
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Ok. Thanks. Let’s see how he does but I’m still leaning towards increasing the dose to 6.5u. However, you probably want to do it on a daytime cycle and not at night.
 
Marje and Gracie said:
Ok. Thanks. Let’s see how he does but I’m still leaning towards increasing the dose to 6.5u. However, you probably want to do it on a daytime cycle and not at night.
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Hi,
We were planning on testing him at 5pm (+8) or right now at +7?

SS Updated.
** Just tested at little after 4pm (+7) at 127.
 
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Goose said:
Hi,
We were planning on testing him at 5pm (+8) or right now at +7?

SS Updated.
** Just tested at little after 4pm (+7) at 127.
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You might want to give him a little LC snack so he doesn’t drop too much before PMPS. I’d also retest him one hour after you feed him. Please don’t miss that test. :) You will probably also want to get a +10 so we will know what we are dealing with.

If you could please respond to my PM requesting editing rights to his SS, I can add your 2020 tab. Thank you.
 
Marje and Gracie said:
You might want to give him a little LC snack so he doesn’t drop too much before PMPS. I’d also retest him one hour after you feed him. Please don’t miss that test. :) You will probably also want to get a +10 so we will know what we are dealing with.

If you could please respond to my PM requesting editing rights to his SS, I can add your 2020 tab. Thank you.
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Test him at 7pm (+10) and re-test 1 hour after PMPS, correct?
 
Goose said:
SS Updated. 1123pm (+2.25) 280. He's eating some food now also.
71 point bump I have to directly relate to the food he ate. He's had nothing since pmps.
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Welllll........I’d suggest a before bed test. Unless you see lower blue tonight or in the morning, I’d also suggest an increase to 6.5u as long as you can test a bit tomorrow.
 
Goose said:
SS Updated.
Just tested at 7pm (+10) and his number is the same, 87. He is eating some now.
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Ok. After he’s done eating, I’d hold off on food but test about 15 minutes earlier than usual for PMPS and let me know how he’s doing. If he’s lower, don’t panic and don’t feed unless he is in the 30s. If he is (anti jinx), just give low carb food.
 
Marje and Gracie said:
Ok. After he’s done eating, I’d hold off on food but test about 15 minutes earlier than usual for PMPS and let me know how he’s doing. If he’s lower, don’t panic and don’t feed unless he is in the 30s. If he is (anti jinx), just give low carb food.
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I updated the SS at 730pm with the other test. At that time he went up to 101. It's in the same green cube as the 87.
 
Goose said:
I updated the SS at 730pm with the other test. At that time he went up to 101. It's in the same green cube as the 87.
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I want to be sure I’m clear. Did you actually retest or was that test taken even 30 minutes later? If you took it at +10.5, then stack the numbers in the +10 column so it looks like this: 87; 101 @+10.5 and then manually color it green so we know that’s the lowest he got.

thank you. How long before you test before PMPS (minutes).
 
Marje and Gracie said:
I want to be sure I’m clear. Did you actually retest or was that test taken even 30 minutes later? If you took it at +10.5, then stack the numbers in the +10 column so it looks like this: 87; 101 @+10.5 and then manually color it green so we know that’s the lowest he got.

thank you. How long before you test before PMPS (minutes).
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Fixed, I think. Yes he was tested at +10 then again at +10.5 (7pm, 730pm)
SS Updated. Just tested him he's at 157.
 
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