Teresa & KitKat
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I created this thread for help on dosing Buddy.
I will give 2.25 tonight. On 2/24/ PMPS #327, 2/25 AMPS #333 & PMPS #328, numbers being so close in the same range does that mean anything. I know I need to get into some stronger dosing, does anyone know how I can handle anxiety.Give 2.25 u again tonight and try 2.5 u tomorrow? However, if you're worried about giving that before leaving for church, wait until Monday AM.
That is a good idea,Another thought on leaving is to do short excursions. Maybe take a short walk each day? I think just getting out of the house for even 10/15 minute a day is helpful. It'll help you feel more calm as you leave and come back and see that he is fine.
That is a good idea. Thanks!!Another thought on leaving is to do short excursions. Maybe take a short walk each day? I think just getting out of the house for even 10/15 minute a day is helpful. It'll help you feel more calm as you leave and come back and see that he is fine.
That is sweet.BreatheAnd remember you are not alone
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Great tips on leaving the house for short breaks, breathing, etc. Another thing to help with anxiety is telling yourself that you know what to do if his numbers go low and you've done it already.I will give 2.25 tonight. On 2/24/ PMPS #327, 2/25 AMPS #333 & PMPS #328, numbers being so close in the same range does that mean anything. I know I need to get into some stronger dosing, does anyone know how I can handle anxiety.
Buddy's BG readings have all been around the same numbers, but I must admit I have been giving him a snack of FF classic every day. I guess that could have kept his numbers from going lower. Trying to get him used to FF classic again.Great tips on leaving the house for short breaks, breathing, etc. Another thing to help with anxiety is telling yourself that you know what to do if his numbers go low and you've done it already.
It looks like he needs a little boost in dose. Maybe try 2.5 u tomorrow?Buddy's BG readings have all been around the same numbers, but I must admit I have been giving him a snack of FF classic every day. I guess that could have kept his numbers from going lower. Trying to get him used to FF classic again.
If everything goes alright today and tomorrow's numbers are around the same I will give 2.5. Just wanted to mention about the FF classic snack (1/2can in morning 1/2 can in evening) to see if that would bring his numbers to the point he would not be going down much. I called purina at one time and I believe most cans of classis have less than 1% carbs.It looks like he needs a little boost in dose. Maybe try 2.5 u tomorrow?
The FF classics are good as low carb snacks.If everything goes alright today and tomorrow's numbers are around the same I will give 2.5. Just wanted to mention about the FF classic snack (1/2can in morning 1/2 can in evening) to see if that would bring his numbers to the point he would not be going down much. I called purina at one time and I believe most cans of classis have less than 1% carbs.
Today I gave Buddy an extra can of RC wet food before I went to church, so he would not drop low while I was gone. When I came home I took his BG# 1st thing, this morning I gave him 2.25 u, the same as the last 3 mornings. The only difference is today I gave him 1 whole can of RC high carb wet food, and the other 2 days 1/2 can FF classic in the morning and 1/2 can FF classic in the evening. At 12:57 he was 95, he has not been this low in the last 2 days, plus I gave him 1 whole can of RC. When I got this reading I gave him 4tea.(I measured) of FF grilled with gravy, within 20 min. his BG was 121. I did this because, I did not want him to go low enough that his response would kick in and go really high, then start bouncing. So I do not know at this time about 2.50 units tomorrow, guess I will wait to see his numbers. I do not understand why he did not go down with the FF classic, but did with RC.The FF classics are good as low carb snacks.
I should have said I gave the 1 can of RC, plus the 1 1/2 cans of RC he always eats and the same with the 1/2 cans of FF classic, he also got the 1 1/2 can of RC he has before each shot.Today I gave Buddy an extra can of RC wet food before I went to church, so he would not drop low while I was gone. When I came home I took his BG# 1st thing, this morning I gave him 2.25 u, the same as the last 3 mornings. The only difference is today I gave him 1 whole can of RC high carb wet food, and the other 2 days 1/2 can FF classic in the morning and 1/2 can FF classic in the evening. At 12:57 he was 95, he has not been this low in the last 2 days, plus I gave him 1 whole can of RC. When I got this reading I gave him 4tea.(I measured) of FF grilled with gravy, within 20 min. his BG was 121. I did this because, I did not want him to go low enough that his response would kick in and go really high, then start bouncing. So I do not know at this time about 2.50 units tomorrow, guess I will wait to see his numbers. I do not understand why he did not go down with the FF classic, but did with RC.
I do not understand why today and not the 2 days.
That sounds good to me, at PMPS he is @444, could be from food or bouncing. The next time he is in the low numbers but not 70, I will leave him alone. I appreciate your input, just now answering because I went to the store. Do you think it would cause BG to go high if I kept on feeding FF classic around 1/2 can in the morning & the same @night. My 95 yr.old Mother tried to babysit Buddy while I was gone.Well, he surprised you! I think he'd been bouncing for several days and it finally stopped. Stick with the 2.25 u. The green number was a very nice one, not too low. You could probably have left him alone - ie., no gravy food - but it's OK that you took action for your own piece of mind. If you look at your SS you can see that the greens he had at 2.5 u were lower. Sometimes you can keep the bouncing from happening by stopping them from going too low but not always. It doesn't really work with my kitty.
Here's what you could try:
With a bouncy kitty base your dose more on how low he goes mid cycle and worry less about the highs at PS time. If several days of data with normal feeding show that he's usually high at PS but never goes much below 80 or so at nadir then that dose is good (for now). There might be some days of bouncing but try to ignore those. The goal is to see what he does on his own.
- keep the 2.25 u dose for now to see what it can do while you're home to monitor
- feed him normally and don't try to intervene with fo0d unless he's going into very low numbers on your human meter - below 70?
- test between +3 and +7 to see what his BG does while the insulin is at maximum effect
- repeat for several days to see his pattern.
If you're worried about 2.25 u being too high, then try the whole experiment with 2 u. Give some thought to buying U100 syringes to use with a conversion chart so you can give doses between 2 u and 2.25 u. You need to see what happens when the dose doesn't change and the feeding routine is the same. Both of those affect BG and it's hard to make a plan because of too many factors going on. They need to be whittled down to just one - insulin dose.
What do you think of this idea?
Yes, I think it is a good plan. I am going to go by it. I feed him a lot so he would stay up, if I had not given that exWell look at Buddy! I know that was probably a bit scary, but focus on the fact that he was in good, safe numbers when you came home. Lower than we're used to, but still safe.
I really like Kris's plan as outlined above. Since you can monitor, it might help you to see how he reacts...and help you if you do go out again (to church next week perhaps?) to see whether he really is likely to go too low or not.
I like it too, will go by it. I gave Buddy 1 extra can of RC so he would not go low, wonder what his # would have been without it.Well look at Buddy! I know that was probably a bit scary, but focus on the fact that he was in good, safe numbers when you came home. Lower than we're used to, but still safe.
I really like Kris's plan as outlined above. Since you can monitor, it might help you to see how he reacts...and help you if you do go out again (to church next week perhaps?) to see whether he really is likely to go too low or not.
The FF classics are low carb so feed then if you like.That sounds good to me, at PMPS he is @444, could be from food or bouncing. The next time he is in the low numbers but not 70, I will leave him alone. I appreciate your input, just now answering because I went to the store. Do you think it would cause BG to go high if I kept on feeding FF classic around 1/2 can in the morning & the same @night. My 95 yr.old Mother tried to babysit Buddy while I was gone.
Buddy not wanting to eat today, threw up last night, after eating too much yesterday ? Tomorrow I have an appointment, so I will be gone for a few hrs. If today goes alright, I will give 2.25u tomorrow, if not will give 2u, since I will be gone for a few hrs. If that happens, next day will start 2.25 again, or if 2u works better will stick with it for the rest of the week.The FF classics are low carb so feed then if you like.
I think this happened a short time ago, didn't it? That tells you he needs smaller meals and maybe give them in snack form several times through the day. You'll have to try feeding normal amounts at regular times and see what he does with his BG. I think he's telling you that too much food upsets his tummy.Buddy not wanting to eat today, threw up last night, after eating too much yesterday ? Tomorrow I have an appointment, so I will be gone for a few hrs. If today goes alright, I will give 2.25u tomorrow, if not will give 2u, since I will be gone for a few hrs. If that happens, next day will start 2.25 again, or if 2u works better will stick with it for the rest of the week.
Glad you noticed Buddy, he is extremely handsome. His hair on his legs is coming back, his legs looked like a poodle that had been groomed.Well look at Buddy! I know that was probably a bit scary, but focus on the fact that he was in good, safe numbers when you came home. Lower than we're used to, but still safe.
I really like Kris's plan as outlined above. Since you can monitor, it might help you to see how he reacts...and help you if you do go out again (to church next week perhaps?) to see whether he really is likely to go too low or not.
Yes, that happened recently, but he did not throw up. Yesterday he had at least 1 extra can of RC, maybe more, FF grilled with gravy and some regular FF classic.I think this happened a short time ago, didn't it? That tells you he needs smaller meals and maybe give them in snack form several times through the day. You'll have to try feeding normal amounts at regular times and see what he does with his BG. I think he's telling you that too much food upsets his tummy.
That's what I think is going on. Maybe do the snack thing today and the regular meals when you have to go out. I know you don't want him to go too low but you need data on how he does with a normal amount of food given on a regular schedule. The goal is to see his performance at this insulin dose and the change in feeding clouds the picture.Yes, that happened recently, but he did not throw up. Yesterday he had at least 1 extra can of RC, maybe more, FF grilled with gravy and some regular FF classic.
I do believe he ate too much yesterday.
Today Buddy acts like he doesn't like the RC and is not eating it very well. He will be getting the snack thing today because he was not eating very much and now he has to wait 2 hrs. so I can test. The normal thing for Buddy is to be starving, wanting more and crying for more. I have only been giving him the FF classic 1/2 can in the morning and at night, plus his 1 1/2 cans of RC at shot time. I only gave the extra FF classic on Friday & Saturday. Also he had extra on Sunday. Besides these 3 days he was given his normal amount of food on a regular schedule. When he 1st came home after surgery I gave him extra and sometimes when I was going to be out. The extra food is not on a normal basis. I gave the FF classic trying to get him used to a change in food. My hope is to change to FF classic, and to do this he needs to get his system used to FF classic, that is why I have been asking about him eating FF classic as a snack. Sometimes I try to hold back 1/2 can of RC till later in the day, so he isn't crying and following me around the house.That's what I think is going on. Maybe do the snack thing today and the regular meals when you have to go out. I know you don't want him to go too low but you need data on how he does with a normal amount of food given on a regular schedule. The goal is to see his performance at this insulin dose and the change in feeding clouds the picture.
Today Buddy acts like he doesn't like the RC and is not eating it very well. He will be getting the snack thing today because he was not eating very much and now he has to wait 2 hrs. so I can test. The normal thing for Buddy is to be starving, wanting more and crying for more. I have only been giving him the FF classic 1/2 can in the morning and at night, plus his 1 1/2 cans of RC at shot time. I only gave the extra FF classic on Friday & Saturday. Also he had extra on Sunday. Besides these 3 days he was given his normal amount of food on a regular schedule. When he 1st came home after surgery I gave him extra and sometimes when I was going to be out. The extra food is not on a normal basis. I gave the FF classic trying to get him used to a change in food. My hope is to change to FF classic, and to do this he needs to get his system used to FF classic, that is why I have been asking about him eating FF classic as a snack. Sometimes I try to hold back 1/2 can of RC till later in the day, so he isn't crying and following me around the house.
There's no conversion for giving 0.25, 0.50 or 0.75 fractions with U100 syringes. You have to switch your thinking to fractions of 0.2, 0.4, 0.6 0.8 that you can read using the lines on the U100s and fractions of 0.1, 0.3, 0.5, 0.7, 0.9 that you can eyeball between the lines. Between reading and eyeballing you have LOTS of dose fractions to use.Also wanted to know if you have a link to another conversion chart for 100u, that shows amounts like .25, .50 or .75.
Probably better to get on it sooner than later. Do you have Cerenia? I think it helps both nausea and inflammation.I am going to give Buddy something for nausea, he may have some pancreatitis going on. He has ate some, he acts like he wants to eat but just can't.
I gave him some Cerenia last night because he threw up and it is for vomiting, also it helps with inflammation. I gave him 1/4 of an Ondansetron pill @1:13 this afternoon. Seems Ondansetron starts helping his nausea sooner. Later I am going to give him some Cerenia & Pepcid. I took his BG @2:29 it had not moved very much. At AMPS +4 he was @188 and @AMPS +6 he was @181. Wonder if the medicine could raise his BG, also wondering about the RC since it contains pork. I am wondering about a cat with a history of pancreatitis and a partial pancreatomy should be eating this food. He is eating more, but not like his usual self. All of this may affect his numbers for a while.Probably better to get on it sooner than later. Do you have Cerenia? I think it helps both nausea and inflammation.
His numbers look fine. What feeding schedule are you using today? I don't think those meds affect BG. Unless a cat has a sensitivity/allergy to pork there's no reason not to feed pork-containing food.I gave him some Cerenia last night because he threw up and it is for vomiting, also it helps with inflammation. I gave him 1/4 of an Ondansetron pill @1:13 this afternoon. Seems Ondansetron starts helping his nausea sooner. Later I am going to give him some Cerenia & Pepcid. I took his BG @2:29 it had not moved very much. At AMPS +4 he was @188 and @AMPS +6 he was @181. Wonder if the medicine could raise his BG, also wondering about the RC since it contains pork. I am wondering about a cat with a history of pancreatitis and a partial pancreatomy should be eating this food. He is eating more, but not like his usual self. All of this may affect his numbers for a while.
Today, Buddy is eating when ever I can get him to eat. Then I wait 2 hrs to test. Tonight if I can get him to eat all of his food at one time I will. I just thought his numbers might have went down more @+6. Do you or have you ever had a kitty with pancreatitis, you seem to know the meds used for pancreatitis.His numbers look fine. What feeding schedule are you using today? I don't think those meds affect BG. Unless a cat has a sensitivity/allergy to pork there's no reason not to feed pork-containing food.
Teasel has had bouts in the past of what might have been pancreatitis and was prescribed Cerenia. I've also learned a lot about it on here.Today, Buddy is eating when ever I can get him to eat. Then I wait 2 hrs to test. Tonight if I can get him to eat all of his food at one time I will. I just thought his numbers might have went down more @+6. Do you or have you ever had a kitty with pancreatitis, you seem to know the meds used for pancreatitis.
.Buddy's PMPS is 527, do you think I should stay with 2.25 tonight.Teasel has had bouts in the past of what might have been pancreatitis and was prescribed Cerenia. I've also learned a lot about it on here.
Yes, I think you should. You need to hold this dose and feed normally to see what it can do. Changing the dose according to PS can be a useful tool but it just complicates the picture right now..Buddy's PMPS is 527, do you think I should stay with 2.25 tonight.
That is what I thought, I have already gave him 2.25u. When I first see a low reading or a high reading I freeze, takes me a few minutes to get it back together. Hope Teasel does not have pancreatitis, it is a bad thing to have.Yes, I think you should. You need to hold this dose and feed normally to see what it can do. Changing the dose according to PS can be a useful tool but it just complicates the picture right now.
So far he's been free of pancreatitis for a long time. Crossing my fingers.That is what I thought, I have already gave him 2.25u. When I first see a low reading or a high reading I freeze, takes me a few minutes to get it back together. Hope Teasel does not have pancreatitis, it is a bad thing to have.
That is a good thing, to be free of pancreatitis. I gave Buddy some Cerenia & Pepcid this evening, he seems to be feeling better. Years ago they used to say you needed to watch your diet when you had pancreatitis, that you should not eat greasy foods, but I don't believe it made a difference. Tomorrow I have an appointment, hopefully Buddy's BG # will be good. Do you think the large number at PMPS was due to bouncing.So far he's been free of pancreatitis for a long time. Crossing my fingers.
Yes. Most likely a bounce number.That is a good thing, to be free of pancreatitis. I gave Buddy some Cerenia & Pepcid this evening, he seems to be feeling better. Years ago they used to say you needed to watch your diet when you had pancreatitis, that you should not eat greasy foods, but I don't believe it made a difference. Tomorrow I have an appointment, hopefully Buddy's BG # will be good. Do you think the large number at PMPS was due to bouncing.
This morning Buddy is at 291 and he is not wanting to eat. I have an appointment today so I am not sure about dosing. I have gave him 2 different nausea meds, maybe he will come around and eat.Yes. Most likely a bounce number.
If he eats something and you can monitor around nadir you can try 2.25 u. I wonder whether overfeeding him to ward off low numbers is upsetting his whole digestive system. He's prone to pancreatitis - I wonder if too much food can be a trigger? Just thinking "out loud". People with sensitive digestive systems have to be careful what they eat, how much and when. Maybe look at Buddy this way?This morning Buddy is at 291 and he is not wanting to eat. I have an appointment today so I am not sure about dosing. I have gave him 2 different nausea meds, maybe he will come around and eat.
Is he eating yet? What time is your appt? If he'd eat something, I'd think 2.25 or 2 if you felt uncomfortable with that. Basically...what time will you be home to be able to monitor?
If he eats something and you can monitor around nadir you can try 2.25 u. I wonder whether overfeeding him to ward off low numbers is upsetting his whole digestive system. He's prone to pancreatitis - I wonder if too much food can be a trigger? Just thinking "out loud". People with sensitive digestive systems have to be careful what they eat, how much and when. Maybe look at Buddy this way?
I will not be home @nadir to monitor. My appointment is with a doctor so you never know how long it will take. I have gave Buddy 2 different pills for nausea, Pepcid and a dose of Metacam. He is starting to eat some. I am a little leary about his insulin dose today. I do believe the over eating is what set this all in motion, that will not happen again. Do you still think I should stick with 2.25 dose.If he eats something and you can monitor around nadir you can try 2.25 u. I wonder whether overfeeding him to ward off low numbers is upsetting his whole digestive system. He's prone to pancreatitis - I wonder if too much food can be a trigger? Just thinking "out loud". People with sensitive digestive systems have to be careful what they eat, how much and when. Maybe look at Buddy this way?
Isn't Metacam the pain med you were worried about after his surgery? Maybe buprenorphine would be a better one to have on hand. It's a narcotic so some vets are reluctant to give it to people but you can ask.I will not be home @nadir to monitor. My appointment is with a doctor so you never know how long it will take. I have gave Buddy 2 different pills for nausea, Pepcid and a dose of Metacam. He is starting to eat some. I am a little leary about his insulin dose today. I do believe the over eating is what set this all in motion, that will not happen again. Do you still think I should stick with 2.25 dose.
I will not be home to monitor at nadir. I have gave him 2 different nausea meds, Pepcid and Metacam for pain. My doctor's office just called and left a message, she is sick and won't be in today!! I will be home. Thank you Jesus!!!!!!!!!Is he eating yet? What time is your appt? If he'd eat something, I'd think 2.25 or 2 if you felt uncomfortable with that. Basically...what time will you be home to be able to monitor?
Isn't Metacam the pain med you were worried about after his surgery? Maybe buprenorphine would be a better one to have on hand. It's a narcotic so some vets are reluctant to give it to people but you can ask.
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If you can't be home at nadir to monitor, give him 2 u so you won't worry too much. You still have to experiment with feeding and dosing so you learn his patterns and can give a good dose even when you have to go out. I'm a big believer in consistency when treating an FD kitty.[/Metacam is the pain meds I was worried about, I gave him this medicine because the vet who did his surgery told me I would have some left that I could use at a later date. I have buprenorphine here in syringes, that his other doctor gave him. I did not give the buprenorphine to him cause I wanted him up and going, to eat. Every doctor is getting to the point they will not give a narcotic, because the DEA makes it hard on them. I will be home, he will get 2.25. My next appointment I schedule will be in the morning.
What are his preferred foods to eat? Do you have plain meat in broth baby food to try?Buddy has not wanted to eat today, he is allowed 1 1/2 cans of RC twice a day, he did not eat that much this morning. Most days he is following me around wanting to eat, but not today. If he should want some thing to eat before PMPS, it will be a snack of FF classic. I am happy that my appointment for today was changed to another day, this time it is 10:30 a.m. I have always scheduled our appointments for afternoons, that is changing. Now all I need to do is figure out how I am going to manage the 3 appointment that we have next week. If I could get Buddy to only eat FF classic, wonder how much that would change his insulin dose. When he looks at his RC, he acts like he could throw up and walks away.
His preferred foods are FF grilled with gravy, RC wet, dry food. I have plain meat in baby food, but he is wanting to eat again. I gave him 1/2 can FF classic after AMPS +6, he ate it and wanted more. If he does not want his RC wet tonight, he can have FF classic (if he still feels like eating).What are his preferred foods to eat? Do you have plain meat in broth baby food to try?
I'm glad he's willing to eat a bit. I'd keep the meals very small today.His preferred foods are FF grilled with gravy, RC wet, dry food. I have plain meat in baby food, but he is wanting to eat again. I gave him 1/2 can FF classic after AMPS +6, he ate it and wanted more. If he does not want his RC wet tonight, he can have FF classic (if he still feels like eating).