07/08 - Small Kitty amps 364 +380 +5 370 @6.5 283 +8 211 +10 293 PMPS 329 - FIRST REDUCTION EVER !!

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Photorecon

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Good morning,

What's better than an overcast amps where you can go back to bed cause you're off for this day ?

Hard to resist and that just what I didn't do, resist.:D Got out of the bed for shooting duties
then back to sleep (just waking up actually).

This was kind a reward for last night witch was very lucrative in information gathering.

pmps 265 +2 265 +4 140 +5 77 +6 68

Thanks for the late night / early morning replies, was sleeping so it's just now that I got
them.

Some were asking if I let food after the low 68 at +6, and yes indeed I left food but LC :(
Was very tired and forgot to read my low GL guide :bookworm:

What I wondering is if these number are completely reliable. As the pm shot was done
at 18.50h, should have been 18h, could this have been detected as a dose reduction ?
Thus increasing insulin production ?

My reflection was the same as yours, reduction from 2.75 to 2.50. Except if the
theory of the system having detected a reduction be valid, yesterday's numbers
are falsified by my mistake.:(

Would be nice if the masters of feline diabetes could pronounce themselves on this,
as if a late shot still gives valid image of the last night curve.

One thing is sure, I think we're making progress. Only Small Kitty's pancreas and liver
could answer this question but their speaking is with numbers only.

Thanks for the assistance yesterday, not sure my vet would have like being called
on his cell phone, he's ''untalkable'' during the day, imagine ;)

Yesterday's action :
http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/...265-2-265-4-140-5-77-6-68-night-curve.160852/


Sébastien
 
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Even though you shot (almost an hour) late last night the results are still valid. A late shot sometimes acts a bit like a reduction...not always...so the number SK gave are totally valid. Today's higher flat numbers (but no black YAH!!)are very normal after that green last night :D. This is a typical bounce and hopefully SK will clear it quickly. Hope to see some good numbers for the PMPS

Looking good overall!!


ETA It is interesting to see that SK has his nadir later than the +4 or +5 you were thinking before. Who knows...SK could even have dropped a bit further last night!
 
Tuxedo Mom said:
Even though you shot (almost an hour) late last night the results are still valid. A late shot sometimes acts a bit like a reduction...not always...so the number SK gave are totally valid. Today's higher flat numbers (but no black YAH!!)are very normal after that green last night :D. This is a typical bounce and hopefully SK will clear it quickly. Hope to see some good numbers for the PMPS

Looking good overall!!


ETA It is interesting to see that SK has his nadir later than the +4 or +5 you were thinking before. Who knows...SK could even have dropped a bit further last night!
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That means music playing on the radio right now is in context :

Money For Nothing (Dire Straits) : volume full throttle :cool::smuggrin:
 
Photorecon said:
Lucky I didn't find him on it's back shaking this morning :nailbiting:
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`Let's hope that never happens. But now with seeing more active numbers, make sure you take the reduction tonight and try to make sure you get a bedtime test. You already have the feeder so you can arrange you feeding times if it looks like SK will need more food while you are away.
 
Photorecon said:
Heck, he's still falling past typical nadir (@6.5 283) GOOD BOY !!!!
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Maybe SK will break this bounce quickly. Make SURE you take the 1/4 unit reduction tonight. You don't want to be spending all night up with a kitty with dropping numbers ;)


ETA This may actually be SK's REAL nadir time. The higher readings in the past may not have shown his true nadir. Also nadir times can change around...just to keep us beans on our toes
 
Tuxedo Mom said:
You already have the feeder so you can arrange you feeding times
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Sounds like the +2 and +4 1 table spoon (so 2 table spoons) of LC food didn't slow down anything at all.. Could MC in increase quantity be better ? Current food intake is 1 can am and pmps + 2 table spoons of LC food per cycle.
 
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Photorecon said:
Sounds like the +2 and +4 1 table spoon (so 2 table spoons) of LC food didn't slow down anything at all.. Could MC in increase quantity be better. Current food intake is 1 can am and pmps + 2 table spoons of LC food
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IF SK continues with the same pattern as last night then changing over to MC at +4 might work better. You may even need to look at different times...maybe a +3 and +5...hard to say. Maybe add the question to your title and see what input others have to say about it.

Going out, but I will check back with great interest later to see how SK is doing. I am so excited for you to start seeing some good progress!!
 
I've just begun trying to post regularly on L&L but I've read the forum for a while, and have followed SK's story with interest. I'm really happy to see that things are improving for him. :woot:
 
Catticus Maximus said:
I've just begun trying to post regularly on L&L but I've read the forum for a while, and have followed SK's story with interest. I'm really happy to see that things are improving for him. :woot:
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You can't imagine the reading I made to built some sort of a good picture of feline diabetes.
Being on paper there would be a full wall of information from all sources, most from fdmb.
People here are dedicated and willing to help without $$$$ in their mind. No vet can get
a customized idea of what's going on with YOUR CAT system. I was ''lucky'' to have one that
nailed me up + advice ending in DKA.

Keep on, you can win the fight with information.
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??? still falling (good level) ... at +7 (211) :bookworm:

Maybe the 1 table spoon of MC (Friskies Paté) at +7 is slowing him down.

*I remember reading a huge web page on the web site of a vet that had been treating feline diabetes for 15 years
saying that fighting GL with food was stupid.. :cool:. He might have missed a chapter during his studies.
 
I wouldn't feed MC with SK still in the 200's.....he still has a long way to go before he'd be in any danger

And it's +7 too....he may have a later nadir than "usual", but even with a late nadir (let's guess +9 just for argument sake), he's not dropping so quickly that he'd be in any danger

Which Friskies did you feed? Most of the pates are still considered LC
 
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Chris & China said:
I wouldn't feed MC with SK still in the 200's.....he still has a long way to go before he'd be in any danger

And it's +7 too....he may have a later nadir than "usual", but even with a late nadir (let's guess +9 just for argument sake), he's not dropping so quickly that he'd be in any danger

Which Friskies did you feed? Most of the pates are still considered LC
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Friskies Chef's dinner, it has rice in it...

Do you mean Chris, full MC carb even tonight ? My entire inventory is on LC,
MC were planned for ''emergencies''.. Might have to replenish with MC and study
what is no crap :bookworm:

Also have Special Kitty Chicken Dinner (has rice floor in it)
Friskies turkey cheese inner in gravy
and
FF in gravy
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Wow SK your working that juice. Hopefully a bounce and back into the blues and the greens too!!!!! Come meet Fritz :cat::)
 
Sounds that nadir for Small Kitty has moved forward around it's past mid-cycle.

That would probably mean setting up the feeder to +3 & +5, not sure of the kind of
food. This cycle will not be a yellowish one :mad: but still better then red :).

+10 293
 
SK may still surprise you tonite. He started with a yellow last night and ended up with a lower green. Our kitties NEVER do what we think they are going to do ;)
 
Yes indeed, FIRST REDUCTION EVER !! :bighug:

Some might say ''no big deal'' but for a cat who's owner tough it would be
a life time increase it's pretty big deal.

Green came out of the red less then 10 days ago, pretty good.

So now 2.5 unit, .25 reduction. That's going to be the only change for
the next few days. Will also push auto feeds one notch forward with LC food
to match new nadir.

Want to know what works, set some FF with gravy and rice in the freezer, that's
gonna come next. Who knows if change in dosing and feeding time is not
the simplest solution.

Enough catting for now, going to see if my beer buddies are downtown to have
a drink and good supper.

Will see in mid-cycle what's going on.

Followers, Supporters : THANKS !!!!!!!!!!!

Good Friday night to all of you .
 
Congrats on the reduction! It is a very big deal especially for all the upward doses with so few lower numbers. Chris had a very good point about not giving MC food to SK when he is in the 200's. Save that for steering if he starts getting too close to 68 otherwise, you will just be boosting the numbers up and you don't want that.

Nice job shooting through the bounce today and taking the reduction tonight. Have a nice Friday night Sebastien. You must be the proud Dad right now. :bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
I agree with Chris. I wouldn't give anything but low carb unless you were trying to stop a fast drop. I'm not seeing a fast drop here.

Your description of the Friskie's low carb has me scratching my head a little bit. I don't know how you find out the carb value of the Friskies if it's different than in the US, but rice is definitely not low carb. Can you look at ingredients and find some that don't have rice in them? Or that rice is far down in the listing, meaning there is very little in the ingredients.

Just to say it again, nadirs can and do change. There is no magic +6 because it's the middle of the cycle in most cats. And a bounce will override the normal cycle's nadirs, so even if you establish that SK usually has a nadir at +7, if he's bouncing or the bounce is clearing, he isn't likely to have a nadir at the same time as in a non-bounce cycle.

Congrats on getting a 68!! Hoping there is more green in his future!
 
We are always happy for members when they take a reduction because we all know how hard this battle is, and a reduction is a win, so congratulations on your first victory! By all means, celebrate tonight, but don't get too carried away 'cause we don't know what else SK has up his sleeve! ;)
 
julie & punkin (ga) said:
I agree with Chris. I wouldn't give anything but low carb unless you were trying to stop a fast drop. I'm not seeing a fast drop here.

Your description of the Friskie's low carb has me scratching my head a little bit. I don't know how you find out the carb value of the Friskies if it's different than in the US, but rice is definitely not low carb. Can you look at ingredients and find some that don't have rice in them? Or that rice is far down in the listing, meaning there is very little in the ingredients.

Just to say it again, nadirs can and do change. There is no magic +6 because it's the middle of the cycle in most cats. And a bounce will override the normal cycle's nadirs, so even if you establish that SK usually has a nadir at +7, if he's bouncing or the bounce is clearing, he isn't likely to have a nadir at the same time as in a non-bounce cycle.

Congrats on getting a 68!! Hoping there is more green in his future!
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With Canadian formulated Friskies pate...meat by products, water, artificial and natural flavours, RICE, artificial and natural flavours...(plus various supplements) The rice is fairly well ensconced in the formulation. This was a reading from the chicken dinner pate, but I have found basically the same ingredients with all the pates I have looked at. I actually use the Friskies pates as a low end MC for my two.

ETA I found out way back in 2007 that the formula for different brands of pet food varies widely between different countries so I have been extra vigilant about ingredients in commercial foods when I need to use them.
 
Tuxedo Mom said:
With Canadian formulated Friskies pate...meat by products, water, artificial and natural flavours, RICE, artificial and natural flavours...(plus various supplements) The rice is fairly well ensconced in the formulation.
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We don't have a "Chicken dinner pate" in the US, but we have a "Liver and Chicken dinner"....ingredients look pretty much the same:
Water sufficient for processing, poultry by-products, meat by-products, liver, fish, chicken, rice, artificial and natural flavors, salt, guar gum, added color, potassium chloride, calcium phosphate, choline chloride, carrageenan, magnesium sulfate, taurine, thiamine mononitrate, zinc sulfate, Vitamin E supplement, ferrous sulfate, niacin, sodium nitrite (to promote color retention), copper sulfate, calcium pantothenate, Vitamin A supplement, manganese sulfate, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), pyridoxine hydrochloride, riboflavin supplement, Vitamin B-12 supplement, biotin, folic acid, Vitamin D-3 supplement, potassium iodide. B-6053

Poultry platter.....Turkey, poultry by-products, water sufficient for processing, meat by-products, liver, fish, rice, artificial and natural flavors (etc)

Turkey and Giblets pate...Meat by-products, water sufficient for processing, turkey, poultry by-products, fish, poultry giblets, rice, artificial and natural flavors

Salmon pate .....Meat by-products, salmon, poultry by-products, water sufficient for processing, fish, rice, artificial and natural flavors


A lot of our US flavors have always had rice in them but it's so far down on the ingredient list, it was still considered low carb (under 10%)
 
Chris & China said:
We don't have a "Chicken dinner pate" in the US, but we have a "Liver and Chicken dinner"....ingredients look pretty much the same:
Water sufficient for processing, poultry by-products, meat by-products, liver, fish, chicken, rice, artificial and natural flavors, salt, guar gum, added color, potassium chloride, calcium phosphate, choline chloride, carrageenan, magnesium sulfate, taurine, thiamine mononitrate, zinc sulfate, Vitamin E supplement, ferrous sulfate, niacin, sodium nitrite (to promote color retention), copper sulfate, calcium pantothenate, Vitamin A supplement, manganese sulfate, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), pyridoxine hydrochloride, riboflavin supplement, Vitamin B-12 supplement, biotin, folic acid, Vitamin D-3 supplement, potassium iodide. B-6053

Poultry platter.....Turkey, poultry by-products, water sufficient for processing, meat by-products, liver, fish, rice, artificial and natural flavors (etc)

Turkey and Giblets pate...Meat by-products, water sufficient for processing, turkey, poultry by-products, fish, poultry giblets, rice, artificial and natural flavors

Salmon pate .....Meat by-products, salmon, poultry by-products, water sufficient for processing, fish, rice, artificial and natural flavors


A lot of our US flavors have always had rice in them but it's so far down on the ingredient list, it was still considered low carb (under 10%)
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With the Canadian Friskies pates that I have looked at the RICE ingredient is pretty well in the same place across the board. There may be one that I have not come across that is still suitable for LC, but to date I have not been able to find one.

ETA The differences in same brand food between different countries is sometimes mind boggling. I always tell people to check ingredients EVERY time they buy food, since it can change in the blink of an eye :( and pet food companies....actually even human food companies are not required to notate changes
 
Humm... +5 gives 356, lucky I sticked with LC. LC food I use is Loblaws/Provigo President Choice (a grocery home product here in Canada). There is no rice or other ingredients but meat, meat bi-product and vitamins. Excluding phosphorus and fat level (20%), it's pretty good. Carb level is in the 3% less with 30% prot. plus.

Don't know the color Small Kitty will be tomorrow but in the long therm it's probably better to have
a flat medium curve then a roller coaster one.

Will give this new dose a chance to prove itself.
 
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