10/25 Shadow PMBG 136 +4~127 Day 8

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rhiannon and shadow (GA)

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This is my 9th try to get this post on. I'm ready to rip the keyboard out and beat it to death. :twisted:

Guess it just goes with my frustration.

shadow's condo

If Shadow's bg numbers are supposed to drop after eating to indicate that her pancreas is working , then I can only guess that the opposite is true.
Yesterday:
AMBG 94
+3.25 110
+5 121
PMBG 91
+3 102
+5.25 106

Since her bg's keep rising after eating, that must mean her pancreas is struggling.

I don't think it was the ff turkey and giblets from the day before and when I look over my notes, usually ff turkey and giblets gave her a dropping
number of 20 less when she was getting insulin shots.
She also used to eat friskies tuna with egg in sauce more often before Dr. Pierson put up the updated food list.
However, I don't want to give her the higher carb foods and risk anything. It does seem that she does better with the other foods (8% and 9%) in the cupboard taking turns with the one's she'd prefer to not eat.

If this trial isn't going to succeed , I'd rather it happen sooner and not take a month or so. :YMSIGH:

I've got work today. :roll:
And I better hit submit before my post disappears .... again.
 
Re: 10/25 Shadow AMBG 99 +2.5~95 Day 8

:YMHUG: :YMHUG: :YMHUG: No advice on the trial, but Ms. p seems to be following orders today. Come on you can do this , Ms P!

You are still on trial though so here's todays happy dance!

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Re: 10/25 Shadow AMBG 99 +2.5~95 Day 8

I'm not seeing a rise here and we usually like to test 3-4 hours after the AMBG feed. So I think you are testing too early and getting too nervous. Take a break. These are good numbers.

Leave her some food. Get out and enjoy your day. Get a PMBG, feed, test 3-4 hours after that....not 2.5!

Now go!!! :-D :-D :-D :-D
 
Re: 10/25 Shadow AMBG 99 +2.5~95 Day 8

nailbite_smile C'mon mighty lil pancreas! You can doo eeet! Don't give up! I wonder how big the pancreas is in a kitty, anyway?
 
Re: 10/25 Shadow AMBG 99 +2.5~95 Day 8

GoooooooO Shadow!

It weighs about 1/2 a pound which for a cat seems like a lot. That would be close to 4% of my cat's weight!

The feline pancreas is a slender, pink, v-shaped strip of tissue tucked snugly within the right-hand side of your cat’s abdomen, at a junction between the stomach and the duodenum—the beginning portion of the animal’s intestinal tract. It’s a relatively small organ, typically weighing a half-pound or so. From: http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/healthinfo/pancreatitis.cfm
 
Re: 10/25 Shadow AMBG 99 +2.5~95 Day 8

Hi Rhianna

I also think you're testing much too early. Also you need to keep in mind that there is a normal range up to 120. That means that some cats are normal at 120 and you don't know what Shadow's pre-diabetes bg (normal)bg is! Maybe her normal is 100 or 120! It may not be a green normal! I agree with Marje. You need to relax.

As far as this program, I share your frustration! I lost 3 in a row on the same message just the other night. I wanted to kill!!!!! It always seems to happen to me when I'm especially tired and trying to get out a reply before going to bed! I wish Rebecca had time to look into what's wrong with it. :YMSIGH:

Have a good day!

Hugs,

Melanie & Racci
 
Re: 10/25 Shadow AMBG 99 +2.5~95 Day 8

Congratulations to you and Shadow on Day 8! Shadow is doing great!
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Re: 10/25 Shadow AMBG 99 +2.5~95 Day 8

:RAHCAT :RAHCAT :RAHCAT dancing_cat dancing_cat :RAHCAT :RAHCAT :RAHCAT

Go Day 8 Shadow. Tell mama to "relax" and let the surf happen. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Hang in there Rhiannon. Letting go is hard to do.

Karen
 
Re: 10/25 Shadow AMBG 99 +2.5~95 Day 8

Shadow is having a good day today. Just relax and wait it out. She's doing fine.

I think the board has been acting funny the last couple of days. It has been super slow at times.
 
Re: 10/25 Shadow AMBG 99 +2.5~95 Day 8

Hi Rhiannon, Shadow is continuing to do really well and is past the midpoint of OTJ trial already! :mrgreen: Methinks you may be worrying too much about these numbers which are all in the normal range. With people food, glycemic index reflects how quicly a food raises glucose levels. Food with same % carbs can have very differint glycemic index and affect our metabolism very differently. My guess is something like that is also true for cat metabolism, specific foods or ingredients might be faster or slower to affect the bg. Then the insulin level provided by Ms Pancreas to utilize the glucose naturally is going to vary too. Shadow is doing great and part of trial is to help us beans learn to ease off testing and not worry as much. You have done a terrific job getting Shadow this far, consider trial is not a final exam for pass/fail, this is the first 14 days of what we hope will be a very long time OTJ! :-D
Happy Day 8 OTJ! dancing_cat dancing_cat dancing_cat dancing_cat dancing_cat dancing_cat dancing_cat dancing_cat
 
Re: 10/25 Shadow AMBG 99 +2.5~95 Day 8

I should clarify....
I'm not worried about Shadow being green. (altho' I'm not so keen on the 121 )
I'm worried that the numbers didn't drop after eating..... (yesterday in particular)
today was an earlier test since I had to go to work and at least she dropped instead of increasing.... otherwise, I would have waited until
a +3.5 or +4..
Yesterday, she was increasing after her am and pm bg for several hours , no drops in the first 5 hours both times )
That's what concerned me so much. Especially since I'm am supposed to be watching for that drop to indicate that her pancreas is working.
 
Re: 10/25 Shadow AMBG 99 +2.5~95 Day 8

Me thinks she looks great!! Those are wonderful numbers ;-)

And I too agree- relax......her "norm" just might be in the exact range she's giving you!
 
Re: 10/25 Shadow AMBG 99 +2.5~95 Day 8

Oh baby baby, YES!!!!! :mrgreen:
I'm so glad to see this!!! :thumbup :YMHUG:
mary, mark,oliver greg and marby
 
Re: 10/25 Shadow AMBG 99 +2.5~95 Day 8

First, if Shadow's numbers are in the normal range, her pancreas is working. The point of the post on the OTJ trial is that if your cat throws you a number that's outside of the normal range, feed and see if food helps to bring the number down since endogenous insulin should be produced to offset the effect of food.

Some cats to better on a diet that's higher in the low carb range. ECID. If Shadow's numbers are good in the 7 - 9% range, so be it. If you try foods in that range and numbers rise, use lower carb foods! You might want to look at this discussion on carbs..
 
Re: 10/25 Shadow AMBG 99 +2.5~95 Day 8

Yay Shadow! dancing_cat dancing_cat dancing_cat dancing_cat dancing_cat dancing_cat

(((Rhannon))) I know this is so stressful and I wish there was something we could do to help off set that. Sending lots of calming vines.
 
Re: 10/25 Shadow AMBG 99 +2.5~95 Day 8

DAY 6~~DAY 6~~DAY 6~~ RELAX -BE HAPPY ~~ALL IS WELL flip_cat flip_cat flip_cat flip_cat party_cat
 
Re: 10/25 Shadow AMBG 99 +2.5~95 Day 8

FYI, I know ECID and it may make a difference that Lucy has been OTJ for a long time, but recently I had to switch to food that was 10-11% because all three cats stopped eating their regular food. I fed it for a few months, and it made no difference in Lucy's numbers. That won't work for everyone, of course. She was never extremely carb sensitive to begin with, but if Shadow does ok on the higher carb food then I would let him have it.
 
Re: 10/25 Shadow AMBG 99 +2.5~95 Day 8

Hello Rhiannon, Congratulations on Shadow's 8th day on the trail OJT. I'm sure if Shadow made it all the way to day 8 he/she has every intention of completing the OJT trail course and claiming a well deserved spot on the kittie OJT list. Hang in there and be happy. You've done everything you could do to get Shadow to this point now it's up to her to go the rest of way and I'm sure she will. Have a great evening.
 
Re: 10/25 Shadow PMBG 136 Day 8

pmbg 136

think she may have not eaten for 4 1/2 to 5 hours.... she doesn't get up and eat what is available.

guess we'll see where she is at +3.5 tonite ....

paws crossed for dropping.
 
Re: 10/25 Shadow PMBG 136 Day 8

Paws crossed! And Happy Day 8!

If you want to take a look at Muffin's SS - look at her very first OTJ trial, which didn't take, beginning on 8/31/10. To me, it looks like her pancreas was working sporadically, but not all the time, as she was ranging from yellows to greens, so we resumed insulin, for about 7 more weeks, and then she was ready. Shadow's doing much better than Muffin did on that first trial, she's really pretty consistent, so I don't think I'd give up on her. Hang in there, try to worry less, and if there does come a time where she needs a little more support, you'll know it, and that will be ok too.
 
Re: 10/25 Shadow PMBG 136 Day 8

Hi Rhiannon - sorry once again for the late visit... another DGS day that has put me behind on condos... bummer for me. I hope your day has been a good one.


Day 8, and still looking good!
 
today's
AMBG 99
+2.5 95 yay!
+5 86 still yay! had rawchicken at +8
+10.5 88 offered tiki cat, didn't eat
PMBG 136 huh? had 4 hrs without food gave Nature's Variety Instinct venison 0%
+2.5 139 looking for when it changes
+3.5 136 too soon apparently
+4 127 so she seems to need 4 hrs ....
just fed her friskies tuna and egg in sauce 8% to see if she does better. she certainly was happy to get it....



I want to understand what's affecting her when and why.....
she doesn't mind the testing anyway.....
 
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