05/31 J.D. PMPS 308, +3 366

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Dyana

Dyana

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Yesterday's Condo

Last Night:
252 PMPS
264 +3
348 +5.25
383 +11

I don't know what caused him to go up so high in the last hour. He ate most of his 1st Breffis, and a couple of freeze dried chicken treats. He left a decent size prezzie in the litter box overnight, and did not pee, until this morning after Breffis. I unplugged the water fountain last night and he has not been drinking as much. I know I'll have to plug it back in. Now, without the fountain going, he goes to the water bowl and takes a few licks and walks away.

Please send vines to J.D. if you have some to spare.
 
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Sending lot's of eating and healing vines for JD. You will be in my thoughts all day:)

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Re: 05/31 J.D. AMPS 505, +1 406

We went for a walk around the courtyard (with me leading him with bits of a quarter chicken breast which he consumed) and the air seemed to make him feel better. I think my meter might just be wacko. I turned back on his water fountain and he chose to drink from that rather than eat his 2nd Breffis. He got his Ondansetron and Pepcid and 1/8 cypro, after his drink and went to his bed and took a little bath and is now laying down. Hopefully, he'll eat today.
 
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Poor J.D.! Please continue to drink and eat for your bean. The +1 definitely looks much better. The water fountain is also a hit around my home, but just for Cleo. Simon likes his plain water dish better.

Sending tons of healing vines to you and J.D. today.
 
Re: 05/31 J.D. AMPS 505, +1 406, +1.5 477 vines please

477 Akray Vital
497 OneTouch

I'm off to work. Please send eating and feel better vines to J.D.
 
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Sending lots of healing vines for JD!! I hope he gets feeling better soon. ((((Dyana))))
 
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(((Dyana))) Sending healing vines for J.D. Keep us up to date with what is going on. Sending prayers.

Pattie
 
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J.D., please eat for your mama today. It makes her sad, when you don't feel well.

Why, you ask, am I talking to a cat? Well, we all know they read the condos when we're not looking. :-D

Sending eating vines to J.D., and easy heart vines to Dyana. :YMHUG:
 
Re: 05/31 J.D. AMPS 505, vet appointment at 3:00 today

I made a vet appointment for today at 3:00pm. I will rush home from work, and try to log on to see any replies.

I should get more bloodwork? maybe xray? and Urinalisys?
 
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Come on, JD....eat and drink lots and lots! You know you have to do it!!! Sending the eating and drinking vines to your boy and a hug to you, Dyana. Good vettie bean vines coming your way too!
 
Re: 05/31 J.D. AMPS 505, vet appointment at 3:00 today

I would get the bloodwork and the urinalysis. You can ask the vet if he feels an x-ray would be helpful or not. You could ask about the cerenia and about giving sub q fluids.
 
Re: 05/31 J.D. AMPS 505, vet appointment at 3:00 today

Sending healing vines and hugs to you and J.D.

:YMHUG: :YMHUG: :YMHUG: :YMHUG:
 
Re: 05/31 J.D. AMPS 505, vet appointment at 3:00 today

Dyana, sending many healing vines to JD and hugs to you. Get better fast little guy, cats don't belong in the 500s.
 
Re: 05/31 J.D. AMPS 505, vet appointment at 3:00 today

Linda and Bear Man said:
I would get the bloodwork and the urinalysis. You can ask the vet if he feels an x-ray would be helpful or not. You could ask about the cerenia and about giving sub q fluids.
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Okay, I'll ask for total blood work again (but I think he doesn't need the T4 again), and urinalysis. I'll ask about the xray. The cerenia can be given in conjunction with Ondansetron (they may not know that)?, and maybe subQ fluids would help him to not fill up his tummy with water instead of food... fingers crossed.

Wish us luck.
 
Re: 05/31 J.D. AMPS 505, vet appointment at 3:00 today

Good luck Dyana:) Sending JD good vetty vines :YMHUG:
 
Re: 05/31 J.D. AMPS 505, vet appointment at 3:00 today

Get better soon JD! Good luck with the vetty visit Dyana!
 
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Lots and lots of good vetty vines for J.D. ❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧❧
 
Re: 05/31 J.D. AMPS 505, vet appointment at 3:00 today

Sending many, many healing vines and good vetty vines to JD today, Dyana. Please keep us posted.

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Re: 05/31 J.D. AMPS 505, +8.75 341, +10.25 303 we're back

Good luck at the vet. I hope the vet finds out what's bothering JD and fixes it so he feels better quickly.

Melanie & Racci
 
Re: 05/31 J.D. AMPS 505, +8.75 341, +10.25 303 we're back

J.D. got bloodwork, urinalysis, and some fluids.

We saw a vet that is not J.D.'s regular vet. This vet carried J.D. into the back room to get the blood. My regular vet does the bloodwork right there in front of me. J.D. was returned to me with wet all over his ruff under his chin and the smell of alcohol? I asked how he did, and the vet said J.D. peed straight out while he was carrying him, and he nailed two of the workers or techs :lol: Good boy, J.D. The bloodwork will be back tomorrow.

His USG is 1024, and should be 1021 or greater, his lymphosomething is slightly elevated, everything else is negative except his blood sugar is "off the charts" (2000?).

J.D. was slightly dehydrated.
I asked if J.D. was filling up his tummy with water and then not as hungry for food, so I asked about fluids and J.D. got 100 units?/something of Lactated Ringers, and we brought home the bag, and I asked for extra needles. I have only given fluids once, and that was not a good experience to my neighbor's cat. So, any how to give fluids links would be helpful, and any advice, if I need it, on where to buy more, would be helpful. The vet said to give him some fluids, if I thought it was necessary, not every day.

Basically, the vet said the drinking and peeing is because of his uncontrolled diabetes, and he's just 17 years old.

His weight hasn't changed.

Teeth and mouth are normal for a 17 year old cat.

I asked about blood pressure and the vet said he had no instruments to measure that :shock:

I suggested maybe, I should try to give him more insulin, along with higher carb food, and maybe he will eat more and have lower numbers. I'm just afraid because a fat on the dose brings him into the 30s, and what if he just sleeps all day when I'm at work and doesn't get up to eat, or drinks water instead. :roll:

I was thinking of giving J.D. some R when I got him, but with the 303, I guess I'll wait.
 
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Oh gosh, Dyana, First, I'm happy to see that J.D.'s come down into better numbers. I pray that his bloodwork comes back with good results.
Heeheehee, on him peeing on the techs.
People will be on here shortly that can answer some questions you might have and put your mind at ease about what you were told today. I know nothing 'bout nothing.
 
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I hope that all will improve this evening. J.D. Eat, drink and bring down your numbers!

Sending lots of vines,

Ella & Rusty
 
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I asked about blood pressure and the vet said he had no instruments to measure that
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That seems strange they wouldn't have the blood pressure instruments, doesn't it!
Sending vines to J.D. I know Marge gives fluids to Gus, and am sure there are others who will be on later. Hope he feels better soon.
 
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Ann & Maggie11 said:
I asked about blood pressure and the vet said he had no instruments to measure that
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That seems strange they wouldn't have the blood pressure instruments, doesn't it!
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Yes, especially since he had his one and only dental done there. What do I know.
 
Re: 05/31 J.D. AMPS 505, +8.75 341, +10.25 303 we're back

High five to JD for being such a good champ for getting all of his blood work done and hugs to you for being such an awesome mama bean:)
 
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That sounds like pretty good news so far, if not terribly helpful in figuring out what is wrong. It sounds like they drew blood from his jugular vein in the neck.

This is an old video, but a good one. I hope the link works because I can never get YouTube to post here properly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmaNe1YaUrk
 
Re: 05/31 J.D. AMPS 505, +8.75 341, +10.25 303 we're back

my original vet did not have BP stuff. had to take cal to another vet and that was when we found out hypertensive, fast HR and blind. totally missed by my original vet.
SQ easy to do DY
same as giving insulin. SQ. my guys just sit there. they both get 100cc every night due to renal failure.
can't answer you on dosage and feeding.
 
Re: 05/31 J.D. AMPS 505, +8.75 341, +10.25 303 we're back

The USG may be a bit low, so it will be interesting to see what the blood work shows. It is interesting to hear that he is still a bit dehydrated, even with all the drinking. Maybe he is starting to show some renal disease, which would be pretty normal in a kitty his age. He may feel better after receiving the fluids today.
 
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I can't remember - can you syringe feed J.D.?

On the assisted feeding forum there is a great article on tips for hesitant or indifferent eaters. If you are a member let me know and I'll send you the url where you can load it directly.

Some tips include priming the engine - one or two mouthfuls and they will finish the rest or more on their own.

If J.D. has no issues with food, maxcal from the vet is 330 calories and 3%-6% carbs and is great to syringe feed.

If he is a bigger cat he may need more ondansetron or more frequently. I can't recall exactly but I think it can be given every eight hours. I'll have to double check on this though - do you know?
 
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Glad you got to the vet office this afternoon Dyana...you are such a good Mama...
Sending lots of love and hugs to you both...
Vines and a blizzard of snowflakes for J.D.....hope you will eat now J.D....

thinking of you both and hoping that you will feel better ral soon....(((((J.D. and Dyana)))))
 
Re: 05/31 J.D. AMPS 505, +8.75 341, +10.25 303 we're back

Thank you everyone, for your responses and well wishes. I am feeling a bit overwhelmed.

Do I need a prescription for the fluids, lines, and needles? and do you buy they at a store, online, or from the vet?

I do not know why my vet said to give him the fluids if I thought it was necessary. I don't know when it's necessary.

Karrie and Maverick said:
I can't remember - can you syringe feed J.D.?

On the assisted feeding forum there is a great article on tips for hesitant or indifferent eaters. If you are a member let me know and I'll send you the url where you can load it directly.

Some tips include priming the engine - one or two mouthfuls and they will finish the rest or more on their own.

If J.D. has no issues with food, maxcal from the vet is 330 calories and 3%-6% carbs and is great to syringe feed.

If he is a bigger cat he may need more ondansetron or more frequently. I can't recall exactly but I think it can be given every eight hours. I'll have to double check on this though - do you know?
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I looked for Maxcal while I was waiting for the receptionist to ring up my bill (a long time :)). They did not have it.
I was just thinking that maybe I should go back to th 1/2 ondansetron pill BID again. I just halved the dose to 1/4 pill last Saturday.

I'm really starting to think that I need to find another vet.. No BP measuring devises? ohmygod_smile

J.D. ate 1/4 plus can of FF at +1.25 (his meals are 1/4 can, so I'm happy).

I'm going to go sit with him outside for awhile..
 
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When Racci won't eat, I can usually encourage her to eat by telling her how yummy it is and how good she is and smelling her food and saying its yummy. I then give her some with the spoon I was mixing with and stir it in front of her saying how I made it perfect for her and she'll either taste it or I give one more and then she will. Once she tastes it, she usually starts eating and finishes it as long as I sit with her. I also warm it in the microwave so it's just warm enough to give off a smell. She likes the spoon tho since she knows that's for people food. ;-) Maybe that would work for JD also. Racci likes getting water by syringe too. She likes the syringe put in her mouth from the side, facing the other side and back, with the tip like a nipple in her gums on the side and released in a fairly slow constant stream. If JD will let you give him fluids that way or food that way, you won't need to do it all at once and he may really like it.

Melanie & Racci
 
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Dyana, so sorry you're feeling so overwhelmed. On the blood pressure reading, with Maggie it is part of the senior exam she gets twice a year. Maggie is 13 years old and gets her blood pressure taken now every three months, as she's on the high side but not high enough for any meds. On the fluids, when I had my GA kitty I bought them from the Vet as I didn't know I could buy online. I think some buy online as it's cheaper. Enjoy your outside time with J.D. and hope he's feeling better. ((Dyana))
 
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It might be good to increase the Ondansetron back up.

Since J.D. was dehydrated, it might be good to give the fluids daily for a few days, then re-evaluate. If he is feeling good, you could decrease the amount or give the same amount every 2nd day. You probably noticed the lump of fluids under his skin after the vet gave the fluids. It's between the size of an egg and a tennis ball, roughly. It can be at the injection site, or it could drop down and hang under the armpit or in the flank. You want to make sure the last fluids are absorbed before you give more. If he is dehydrated, they will absorb more quickly. You can get a feel for how he reacts to getting them. It might be something he needs regularly, especially if there is a diagnosis of renal disease, to it could be something you give during a pancreatitis flare up.

I think that some people have noticed BG's going lower after fluids.

I have read that a lot of people buy their supplies online, but I have never done that, so I can't help there. You can get different gauges of needles. Some kitties like a finer needle, but the fluids take longer to go in. Some do better with a big "harpoon" that gets the fluids in fast and the procedure finished more quickly. Also note that the higher you hang the bag, the faster the fluids go in. A lot of people find that warming the fluids (use caution to mix well and test the temperature) slightly makes it more comfortable. Let the bag sit in a warm water bath for a few minutes.
 
Re: 05/31 J.D. AMPS 505, +8.75 341, +10.25 303 we're back

Linda and Bear Man said:
It might be good to increase the Ondansetron back up.

Since J.D. was dehydrated, it might be good to give the fluids daily for a few days, then re-evaluate. If he is feeling good, you could decrease the amount or give the same amount every 2nd day. You probably noticed the lump of fluids under his skin after the vet gave the fluids. It's between the size of an egg and a tennis ball, roughly. It can be at the injection site, or it could drop down and hang under the armpit or in the flank. You want to make sure the last fluids are absorbed before you give more. If he is dehydrated, they will absorb more quickly. You can get a feel for how he reacts to getting them. It might be something he needs regularly, especially if there is a diagnosis of renal disease, to it could be something you give during a pancreatitis flare up.

I think that some people have noticed BG's going lower after fluids.

I have read that a lot of people buy their supplies online, but I have never done that, so I can't help there. You can get different gauges of needles. Some kitties like a finer needle, but the fluids take longer to go in. Some do better with a big "harpoon" that gets the fluids in fast and the procedure finished more quickly. Also note that the higher you hang the bag, the faster the fluids go in. A lot of people find that warming the fluids (use caution to mix well and test the temperature) slightly makes it more comfortable. Let the bag sit in a warm water bath for a few minutes.
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I increased his Ondansetron back to 1/2 pill BID, tonight. I just hate to give him all these pills. I was hoping to wean him off. The Ondansetron bottle says "MAY CAUSE DIZZINESS", the Cyproheptadine bottle says "MAY CAUSE BLURRED VISION" and the Buprenex (which I'm currently not giving him) makes him walk all wobbily.

"I think that some people have noticed BG's going lower after fluids." I think I'll only give them at night time.

What gauge needles did you use, Linda?
 
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MelanieAndRacci said:
When Racci won't eat, I can usually encourage her to eat by telling her how yummy it is and how good she is and smelling her food and saying its yummy. I then give her some with the spoon I was mixing with and stir it in front of her saying how I made it perfect for her and she'll either taste it or I give one more and then she will. Once she tastes it, she usually starts eating and finishes it as long as I sit with her. I also warm it in the microwave so it's just warm enough to give off a smell. She likes the spoon tho since she knows that's for people food. ;-) Maybe that would work for JD also. Racci likes getting water by syringe too. She likes the syringe put in her mouth from the side, facing the other side and back, with the tip like a nipple in her gums on the side and released in a fairly slow constant stream. If JD will let you give him fluids that way or food that way, you won't need to do it all at once and he may really like it.

Melanie & Racci
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That's so sweet of you :-D Normally, if I bring J.D.'s food bowl to him, he will eat it. Or, if I sit next to him with the food bowl that I just brought to him, he will eat it. He has just been extra stubborn, lately.
I just sat down next to him, and had fed him (FF in my hand :? ) and he ate some, not all, but he ate. But, I am not here during the day time. . .
J.D. likes a spoonful of MC :razz: num num num. Thanks for all your suggestions. I keep trying.
 
Linda and Bear Man said:
I used 18 G needles for Emily.
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Okay, so the big ones, like I just got from the vet. J.D. didn't seem to mind. But, he's always good as gold at the vet.
Just wait, until I have to do this myself. I'll try tomorrow night, again. And I'll try to figure out if the last dose was absorbed first.
Thanks Linda :YMHUG:

I think it's time for bed for us. I didn't get much sleep last night, waking up every couple of hours to get J.D. to eat.

J.D., please come down in BG. Please :smile:
 
Dyana, have you looked up the info on giving sub-q at this site?
http://www.felinecrf.com/

I used the 22G 3/4 TW needle to give sub-q. This is the thinner & shorter needle type. Had used the 18G before, but the thinner the needle, the less discomfort but of course take a bit longer time as compared to to a bigger needle.
I got all my supplies from pharmacy round my area.
 
Dyana

I"m sorry...I've been out all day and we are going to dinner but Sienne sent me a PM asking about the site I use for subqs. I'll read your condo when I get back and see if there is any info I can give you to help.

Here's the link....it's a wonderful one:

Sophia gets her subqs

Also...I have a youtube video I made of Mike giving Gus subqs but he doesn't go into detail....he just does it. Here it is....it probably won't help much...the Sophia site is scads better.

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Hi Dyana-

I don't have too much to add, aside from our thoughts and prayers. J.D. sounds a lot like my Mario, who is the same age but not diabetic. He's the one I (not DH) have to sit with to have him eat really well.

My vet does have the equipment to check a kitty's BP...just let me know if you want their info. I know it's a longer drive for you to get to them, but I have to admit, with Mario, I worry about controlling his BP probably more than anything else, and I make sure his BP is checked on a regular basis. I wish I could check it at home, but apparently at this point, it's not really a viable option for kitties.

Speaking of which...Mario calls for fuds. I hope J.D. is feeling better by the time you see this...

Amy
 
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