6/29 mocha pmps 52 +.5 57 +1.25 67 +2 67 +3 71

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WCR: For the past two nights as soon as we are in our room, we put pillows up against the bedroom door. The first night she was fine, back to her old self sleeping on the stand and bed through the night. Last night however she was back to being naughty. Pawing at the window blinds and then early this morning around 5 she was up on the bed on my legs and bit right down on my knee! :o I don't know what is getting into her.

The other day we started her on a new lantus cartridge. It was gifted to us the week before, but it had a needle tip on it. It was unused lantus, she had just put the needle tip on it to show us how to use it instead of the syringe. It sat in our fridge for a week with the tip on it. I want to make up every reason possible as to why mocha just isn't getting good numbers anymore. I can't bring myself to face that this might go on for years and years. How does one resign themselves to that??
 
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sorry for all the trouble you're having with Mocha. Might a vet visit be in order? I hope her #'s improve soon.
 
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Devon, I guess one thing you can do is take a deep breath and remember that you love her so much and that you will do anything and everything possible to ensure that she is happy and healthy no matter how long it takes. Then you pick up Ms. Mocha Jo Latte give her a big ol smoochie, tell her how much you love her and cherish her, give her some squisheys and a big ol belly rub. By the time you are done with all of that, whatever sadness or frustration you are feeling should be gone. And everytime you get those feelings, repeat. Don't look at it as oh my gosh, I'm going to have to do this for the rest of her life, take it day by day.

I'm sorry you are feeling like this, but we are here for you. Now, Ms. Mocha, let's make your mamabean happy and get some good numbers!!!
 
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yep - couldn't agree more:
Deb & Spot said:
Devon, I guess one thing you can do is take a deep breath and remember that you love her so much and that you will do anything and everything possible to ensure that she is happy and healthy no matter how long it takes. Then you pick up Ms. Mocha Jo Latte give her a big ol smoochie, tell her how much you love her and cherish her, give her some squisheys and a big ol belly rub. By the time you are done with all of that, whatever sadness or frustration you are feeling should be gone. And everytime you get those feelings, repeat. Don't look at it as oh my gosh, I'm going to have to do this for the rest of her life, take it day by day.
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after 2+ years of dealing with this with mannie - it's what I do everyday, as believe me there are days....
 
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Ditto! It's been over 4 years for Stu. He's happy and healthy and that's what counts. And we would miss his idiosyncrasies if he stopped doing them!!! Hang in there, Devon. Mocha is a CAT. She has her own reasons for whatever she does!

Ella
 
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Mocha got pretty quick action on this dose...the momentum seems to have stopped for yesterday and this morning. Maybe she will show something today. Are you questioning the insulin's punch when you mention it? That is always one of my concerns when I get blah numbers on a new cartridge/pen.
Guess we can go back to the litany of questions: what food are you feeding and when
Are we sure that there isn't something going on with her that a vet visit might be in order...how is she acting during the day?
We know she is vocal and demanding at night....
(I know it wasn't so long ago that she had a dental, right?)
hmmmm....
I think that any time you make yourself think of FOREVER, it sounds like an impossible thing...depressing and monumental.
If we break it down into one day at a time chunks, it doesn't seem so bad. Michelle has it right!!! I agree completely!!
Devon...this is a horrible thing to have to go through. You are working so hard and doing all this for Mocha and yet, you are not seeing an end to the tunnel. That is very discouraging.. ((Devon))

(I have been very discouraged with Shadow and his numbers in the past too. You know that...right? I have been moaning and gnashing my teeth over his SS. It is so disheartening. Suddenly, something seemed to have clicked with him & he is doing much better than before. I don't know if this is a trend that will continue, so I am very leery, KWIM?) During these months of discouraging numbers, I knew in my heart that I had NO choice but to keep on doing what I knew was best for him. If I had to increase and then increase yet again, and again..it didn't matter anymore. I was committed to helping him no matter how long it took. If he always needed insulin, then so be it. I still wanted HIM...I still wanted to help his health with the needed insulin. So what if I had to keep doing it, over and over again? what were my other options?
Who knows what triggers that click or snap in their BGs. But it does happen some times....what is the trigger? That is key....
to find the trigger for the turn in events. The pancreas is healing, but it is sometimes a slow process.

You love Mocha so much...and she is feeling much better with the insulin. So, if you can muster up some kind of HOPE and just keep on keeping on. You are doing a great job with her! Your dedication is amazing... :mrgreen: I know exactly how you feel, believe me! This is a mind game for us Beans. We know and see...the kitty doesn't~~~they just FEEL. If they are feeling better, they are happy.
When I get down, I try to turn off my mind games. I try to NOT think about the numbers. That is so hard to do. But what good does it do to sit around and gnash your teeth over them? If it doesn't compel you to try something different and you feel that you are doing ALL that you can, there is nothing that you CAN do other than to just wait. I changed Shadow's food, I upped his dose, I changed the times I fed him. I started all over doing the same things differently all over again! Then I waited AGAIN! :YMSIGH:
But really, as long as he is here with me I am going to DO whatever for as long as it takes. I have no other choice at the point. I made the commitment to deal with this and I will. So when I am whining next, will come to my condo and tell me the same things I ma telling you now? :lol: I hope you are reading this in the spirit in which it was intended. I hate to see you down and I am only trying to talk you out of it. Just tell me what your choices are? Think about it.....as I have.

And then wait for the experts...LOL...cause I know nothing about nothing...but I do know that you love Mocha and you ARE doing a great job! (((((Devon))))) (my DDs would be rolling their eyes at my pep talk about now...are YOU doing that too?) :roll:
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We have been on this path for about the same length of time. And there are times that it's very frustrating and disheartening. One of life's lessons that I've learned is that I'm most unhappy if I focus on how I would like things to be rather than paying attention to and appreciating what I have. Gabby is a creature in her own right with her own personality and her own biology. I have no control over what she will or won't do. I also know that not every cat goes into remission. If she gets there, I will be elated. If not, I will still adore her and still look at each day as an opportunity to learn more about her and about her diabetes and how I can do the best I can for her.

Yes, there are days when it is impossibly hard to see the newbies that are here for a month and their kitties are OTJ. I try to focus on what I can learn and how I can pay it forward. Everything happens for a reason. I know that I'm not always wise enough to know what that reason is but there are times when I do finally catch on. FWIW, focus on what Mocha is trying to teach you. It's a gift.
 
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thank you everyone for the kind words. I do try to take it day by day but it seems to be such a struggle for me. When I read other condos on here, they are not nearly as depressing as mochas. And truth be told, I'm really holding back on how I feel when I write out her condo for the day! I know that me and peter will take care of mocha, for whatever length of time she is here with us. I know that. But I also know that we have a camper sitting in my grandmas garage, waiting to be used that probably won't ever happen. No, mocha is not the type of cat that will go camping with us. I know there are family vacations planned this summer that once again, I have to listen to the rest of the family asking what would happen if we just "weren't home?" I know that there are friends our ages that go out on friday nights or want us to come over on saturday night. But we have to be here for mochas shot, and we have to be home at X time to make sure she isn't dropping. I know it will be a long time before I will ever just be able to walk out the door and run to town, without doing a spot check on mocha, to make sure it's safe for me to leave. I know when this has all come to an end, I will miss doing those spot checks and even the crazy up every hour on the hour nights. But right now, I just feel like wallowing in self pity and I know that isn't right but I also know if I don't let it out, I will make myself sick.

Just one of those days I guess.
 
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I have lately been thinking that it is really, really great that this forum doesn't have sound effects.
:lol:
Think about it.... :lol:
What would be hearing? A LOT of yelling...screaming at both low numbers and shrieks of panic at the very high ones. It would sound like an insane asylum, right?
We would also be hearing a lot of banging...yep...that'd be the people banging their heads against the walls! :lol:
I know we would hear whimpering in a corner here and there...and also some very loud sobbing coming from lots of condos. Oh, and the sounds of cat food cans being popped open. Yep...I am glad we don't have sound, aren't YOU? :mrgreen:
So, wallow if you must. :mrgreen:
We know you will be back to your sweet happy self soon. Accept our cyber hugs and know that we empathize with you. :YMHUG: Hoping your day will be a very nice one after all...I am glad you shared your feelings with us. Not that our words can change the way you feel right now or anything. Feelings just ARE and they are really non-negotiable. You know the facts, but the feelings speak for themselves. We are here for you anyway...and hope that you will be okay...
 
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By all means, wallow if you need. That is what we are here for....we are your sounding board and your moral support. We will try to make you laugh and we will cry with you when you just can't take it any more.
Caregivers need to have time for themselves. Unfortunately, not everyone is capable of caring for our FD kitties as well as we are, and it is very hard to put our guys in just anyones hands. They are are kids and we worry about them no matter what. I wish that I lived closer so that I could give you a hand and let you guys have your night out without worry.
 
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((((((((((Oh Devon)))))))))) We all know how you are feeling. A day of elation and then a week of depression. We put on happy faces here for the others, congratulate and smile when someone else's cat goes OTJ , all the while screaming inside why not mine!!! I sometimes think enough of us don't let it out, we feel we have to be brave all the time. We shouldn't . We need to let loose sometimes. You have every right. What is my and my families life going to be like? Forever? Then we look at others who take on another FD cat and think, How? How can they keep going?

We say something snaps with our babies and they start to race down the ladder. I think the same thing happens with us. We look at that tunnel and can't see the end. Then we get head bumps and kitty kisses, we realize there is something we are holding onto that is too precious to let go and the tunnel doesn't matter. it isn't a straight road either. You stop and breath, go on, then take a look back and start to cry again.

Our cats live in the here and now. All our planning doesn't do any good. We just need to join them where they are and do what they need at that time. Scream and cry when you need to, then hold Mocha , feel her love for you and be content in that place.
 
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Just wondering here....
what food are you using? (have you tried anything different lately?)

have you tried bringing her up w/o the karo? (sorry if I missed the reason for the karo as opposed to HC gravy...)
I see that you noted that she got into Twix's kibble the other day and I am wondering if she is doing that often or not (she certainly does her best at night to get out of your room!)

Is she snacking at +9 during the AM cycle? Maybe move snack time up one hour to give her 4 hours before her PS time?
And what about during the night? Does she snack on her own? Does she have access to food right up until PS time?
Mocha certainly has a lot of pretty blues and quite a few greens over the past few months. She seems to bounce into pinks very quickly though. Any minute she will get to the dose that will work...I just know it!
 
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when mocha first got diagnosed we put her on FF turkey and giblets. She went on a streak where she would not eat FF, right around the time other kitties on here stopped eating it. So at that point we switched her over to wal mart brand special kitty turkey and giblets. She made the transition fine, no LB problems at all. When FF lowered their price down, we went back to it and she once again made the transition fine. Now that the price is back up, she is going to have to go back over to wal mart special kitty turkey and giblets. She eats it without any problems.

We just tried the karo because it seems with mocha if it is a night she is going to drop, there is no slowing her down. Not even HC will do the trick. We have found the best way to get her numbers up is Karo mixed in with MC food. It seems to do the trick. Not sure if it is the best idea, but we aren't real sure what else to do on those nights. Our main goal is to get her back up and that does it.

Mocha getting into twix's kibble is a rare occurrence. When they eat during the day, I stand in the kitchen with them and make sure they go to their own bowls and stay there. Once they are done eating, the food is immediately picked up. Twix's food is kept in a drawer and mochas food is kept in the fridge once opened. At night mocha is with us and she has an autofeeder set up. It has an open slot at +3, when we go to bed, and then at +4.5, +6, +7.5 and +9. Each one of these slots contain a 1/4 can of a 3oz can, except for the +3 slot, which is a 1/2 can of a 3oz can. We figure it's best to give her a little more at her +3 since that is when the insulin is starting to kick in, right? She is not fed food two hours before amps or pmps.

Someone once suggested that we do not feed mocha for 4 hours before her test times, to get a lower spot check number. But doesn't that kinda seem crazy? Doesn't that almost seem like cheating the system? I mean, technically, we could not feed her for an entire day and get low numbers. I don't know.

I do thank you guys again for your kind words and patience with me. I did go and hold mocha for awhile. Her favorite spot to be held is high up on my shoulder in our bathroom. She purrs the loudest in there for some reason. So I held her and listened to her purr. Then she hissed at me and told me she had had enough. That's my bear.
 
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:lol: yes...don't feed anything and the numbers will come down for sure!! :lol:
I noticed during Raja's trial that she had lower numbers at +4 rather than the +3 number. So I began feeding her four hours before BG time and likewise, Shadow ate as well.
If you are giving the food time to process through the system, it isn't really cheating, is it? nailbite_smile
I give my two the 4 hours to clear through before PS time.

Now, that is something that you could try if you wanted to. Just move her snack time up to +8 during both cycles. You are giving her a whole can during the PM in total right? I have read where the suggestion was to give most of the food in the early hours of the cycle. How much does she get at shot time?
Maybe give more in the +2, +4 and then once at +8.
I hope that you will have an expert opinion add their thoughts right about now...not sure how much you are feeding during each cycle, but I personally think that the constant eating is keeping her numbers up a little. I might be way off here, but maybe you can ask the others....
 
Re: 6/29 mocha pmps 49, to eat or not to eat??

well of course after all this griping, mocha drops down to 49 for her pmps! Actually she tested 43 and we retested to make sure the test was right. She read 49. We gave her a quarter can of MC with HC gravy mixed in with it, and she ate about half of that before I remembered that maybe she shouldn't eat, and we should retest in 15 min? We have never shot in the 40's before, but she is close to 50, which we have shot in before. Any advice?
 
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ok, it's been just shy of 15 minutes. She only ate that little bit and nothing since, and she is now at 50. Suggestions?
 
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They will want to know if you are flexible with your shot times...to stall a little, testing every 10 or 15 minutes until she comes up to a nicer number to shoot. This is going to be a long evening for youz...
 
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See if her numbers come up a bit more. It's hard to know if this is a surf. Given the food, I doubt it. I'd be more comfortable if Mocha was in the high 50s or above.

It's one of those, "Be careful what you wish for days." -- or so it seems.
 
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Do you have HC gravy on hand? What is the latest reading?
Can you stall till she gets to a number that you are comfortable shooting at?
And then be testing frequently...like definitely a +1 and every hour till you are happy that she is surfing?


Ok, Sienne is here... :mrgreen:
 
Re: 6/29 mocha pmps 49 retest 50, retest 52 keep waiting??

ok, after another ten minutes she went up 2 points. We have shot a 57 before, we have HC and karo on hand, along with MC and test strips/lancets.
 
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Pat+Raja+Shadow said:
Mocha got pretty quick action on this dose...the momentum seems to have stopped for yesterday and this morning. Maybe she will show something today.....
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Well, guess she showed you something today for sure! :lol:

Good luck with the numbers tonight. You are very brave. nailbite_smile
Mocha is something else...was she reading your posts today? :YMHUG:
 
Re: 6/29 mocha pmps 49 retest 50, retest 52 keep waiting??

Why don't you skinny down the dose a drop and shoot.
 
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I think Tess gave her a few pointers at Tray's birthday part about how to scare the *!@#* out of her mom at PMPS! or Maybe she saw how down yu were and wanted to cheer you up. :YMHUG:

Good luck I have to go to a family thing, check back later. You can handle it!
 
Re: 6/29 mocha pmps 52 I'm on my own!!

ok well ... we tested her at 8:15 and she was at 52. So we went ahead and shot the full 3.0 she has been on because I thought since the shot was late, we didn't want to reduce as well? I can't keep these things straight ... anyways, after her shot she finished her MC food w/ HC gravy.

I'm on my own for the next several hours. My brother in law passed away last month and he had promised to take our niece to the new twilight movie before that happened. Now that he is gone my niece lured peter into going to the midnight showing tonight, meaning go stand in line at 8 until they doors open at 12:05 a.m. He already has purchased the tickets and promised he would take her ... so it's just me and mocha fighting this battle tonight .. well us and anyone else along for the fight .....
 
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ok, just tested her about a 1/2hr after her shot, but only about 20 min. after she got done eating after her shot. Shes sitting at 57. Should I let her surf on her own, or should I give her MC?
 
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Well, I would...if she will take it. You don't want her to stall and start going in the wrong direction.
This is the beginning of a long night if she doesn't go a little higher, right?
 
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ok I fed her the MC, she ate almost all that I put down but then got distracted and walked away
 
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Give it a little time to see if there's a surf or not. I think the MC made sense just don't over do it. I think if you can keep Mocha surfing in greens it will be great!
 
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If you're feeding the curve, I'd give some MC to bump things up in anticipation of when the Lantus starts to kick in. I just can't tell yet if Mocha is going to start to bounce. For now, is you don't want her to earn a decrease, give yourself some wiggle room if there's going to be a drop.
 
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PeterDevonMocha said:
thank you everyone for the kind words. I do try to take it day by day but it seems to be such a struggle for me. When I read other condos on here, they are not nearly as depressing as mochas. And truth be told, I'm really holding back on how I feel when I write out her condo for the day! I know that me and peter will take care of mocha, for whatever length of time she is here with us. I know that. But I also know that we have a camper sitting in my grandmas garage, waiting to be used that probably won't ever happen. No, mocha is not the type of cat that will go camping with us. I know there are family vacations planned this summer that once again, I have to listen to the rest of the family asking what would happen if we just "weren't home?" I know that there are friends our ages that go out on friday nights or want us to come over on saturday night. But we have to be here for mochas shot, and we have to be home at X time to make sure she isn't dropping. I know it will be a long time before I will ever just be able to walk out the door and run to town, without doing a spot check on mocha, to make sure it's safe for me to leave. I know when this has all come to an end, I will miss doing those spot checks and even the crazy up every hour on the hour nights. But right now, I just feel like wallowing in self pity and I know that isn't right but I also know if I don't let it out, I will make myself sick.

Just one of those days I guess.
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OMG! Is this copywrited?!?!? Can I borrow it...uh...daily?!?!? :lol: If you ever need to feel better about mocha's #'s, by ALL MEANS...come visit us! Seriously!

Devon,
Im sorry this was such a hard day. There is no possibility of Latte going OTJ, so in that regards I dont feel the pressure a good majority of folks like you do. Is there a way to balance hope and acceptance? I wonder that daily...not just with latte, but life. Its hard, isnt it? Can we accept that *this* is what it may be until they are done, but hope without being let down that maybe ONE day that something will click and our lives will go back to normal? That THEIR lives will go back to normal? They take it so much better than we do, dont they?!?! :lol: Bless their big hearts.

I hope this evening goes smoothly for you and Mocha. Something tells me Peter would rather be there with you and Mocha...which is interesting, when you talk about how you guys would like to go out and do things. The reality of it is, you dont want anything more than to be there for Mocha, even if it means sacrifices. You have made that clear. And Mocha, no doubt - hissy and all :roll: - appreciates it so much.

:YMHUG: :YMHUG: :YMHUG: :YMHUG:
 
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staying steady .. fed her MC which she ate up ...

Carolyn, thank you for posting here ... I know you have a hard time with latte, and Im always amazed at what you do for her, how dedicated you are to her ... she's a very luck girl to have you as a mom ....

I think peter would rather be here too ... I know I would rather have him here! I deal with mocha all day on my own and while for the most part it isn't nerve wracking it just seems easier with him here.
 
Pretty surf for Mocha! Good job Devon...
I am ready for bed and did my PM +4 test...after his PMPS 192...I was ready for a nice sleep.
+4=53 :o
What is he doing?? I should have tested earlier to catch the drop. :-|
I hope Peter had a nice evening and that you and Mocha will enjoy some rest after the busy night you had... :mrgreen:
 
Surfing safari tonight with Mocha, Moonie, Tuscany, and Shadow. How exciting for all of you. I think I can hear the beeping of late night alarms all the way from my house!

Devon you are doing so well, I always admired how hard you work for Mocha. You are a loving momma-bean to her.
 
Oh you guys--I have been where you are today so so so so many times in 2+years here!!
I cant even begin to tell you how I am chastised by everyone, family. friends, aquaintances, & strangers who say--
Take the cat with you---Cant your husband shoot the cat? Why cant you go away for weeks?
Put the cat in the vet & leave it there!--BLAH BLAH BLAH!! :roll: :roll: :roll:
Hey they dont live my life, nor do they know my cat...Just today we met someone who's a client of mine & what did my DH do??
Told her how I wont let him shoot the cat--Geez, if he ever could be coordinated enough, conecntrate enough, or had any retention whatsoever--maybe I would let him!!!!! Every time I say come & see how I test the cat, he says, no I'll see later ohmygod_smile ohmygod_smile
I Love my cat & I will do anything, come home from anywhere at any time for her!!! That's IT!!!!!!!!
I will miss vacations, dinners, parties, because this is what I choose to do for the love of my furbaby!!
WE Do so Understand--We are alike in so many ways, with all this--We should have a complaint day like Old timers day :lol: :lol:
Just keep going, doing your thing, tests, feedings etc--It is OUR WAY!

SO I just want to tell you how hard I know you two try every day, how frustrating this disease is, HOW BRAVE You Are, and how devoted I know you are to Mocha--HONEYS, dont let the uninformed get you down--
You Are Doing a great job, every day. living with this as we all are!!

BY THE WAY MOCHA JO LATTE IS HAVING ONE HECK OF A NIGHT--SEE, IT CAN BE SO GOOD!!!
HUGS TO ALL OF YOU FROM US!!!!!!! :mrgreen:
 
Devon,all I can say is hugs to you, and Peter and Mocha. I hope you do find a way to make things easier. Thinking of you guys
 
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