Prozinc vs. PZI

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Hello,
Trina has been on Prozinc since it has came out a year or two ago. She does great on it. My vet has tried to order more & was told that it is backordered & that they could only send her 2 bottles. Prozinc also told her they hope to have a shipment sent out the end of this month but still may only allow 2 bottles per vet. Someome else told her it's probably discontinued. Since she has numerous clients who's pets are on Prozinc (and do great on it) she opted to find an alternative. So she ordered PZI from Wedgewood Pharmacy. She said since it's a different manufacturer to start out at a lower dose. Both of these bottles that I have (the Prozinc & PZI) say that they are protamine zinc but the Prozinc says recombinant human insulin on it. There is not much info. on the bottle of PZI I just got yesterday. Does anyone know if the PZI is made the same way the Prozinc is?
Trina has been diabetic for 8 years & this is the 4th time her insulin has been discontinued. It is very frustrating when they stop making a product that is working well!!!!
Thanks,
Missy & Trina
 
This webpage also say that the Wedgewood PZI is made with recombinant human insulin. Thus it appears that they are very similar. The concentration of ProZinc is 40 units/ml. What is the concentration of the Wedgewood insulin you received? The site ways:3 strengths of PZI Injection Suspension are available
http://www.wedgewoodpetrx.com/learning- ... -cats.html

Is the vial you received sealed like the ProZinc? locally compounded PZI insulin has always been available and it is manufactured in small lost and injected into empty vials and thus the vials do not arrive sealed.
If you are not the minimum BG between shots is not low I would use the same dose.
 
Hi Missy,

Dandy was prescribed ProZinc when he was living in Buffalo, NY, but since we moved down to Central PA, I haven't been able to get it anywhere, so I feel your pain. I eventually ended up having to go through 1-800 PetMeds. They've always had it (for the past year anyway), and I was ordering it somewhat often at 6 units BID (2x a day). They frequently have it on sale, and if you google search, you can find a coupon code for 10% off of that. It's still not cheap, and be prepared to pay a $19.99 overnight shipping fee.

I know this doesn't help you with your specific question, but I thought I would mention it in case you needed a temporary solution while your vet / vet's supplier get things squared away.

I'm actually working right now on getting Dandy switched over to Lantus, since I can at least get a hold of that consistently. The whole switching process has basically gotten me to start over, and make sure I'm doing it right this time around with home testing (and no dry food)...

Best of luck,
Russ & Dandy
 
just got off the phone with a guy from Boerhinger (sp?), the makers of prozinc, and he said they are not discontinuing it but it is indeed on back order. he said they are indeed expecting a release of more at the end of this month.

take it with a grain of salt i suppose. i asked him a few times about being discontinued and he said no each time, no himhawing around or hesitation. i mentioned the 2 bottle limit thing and he didn't say anything in regards to that. i also said something to the effect that it's nothing like the fda did with pzi right and he said no soooooooo .......
 
Very interesting that Boerhinger said they are not discontinuing it. I wonder why it is backordered. I just checked the new bottle from Wedgewood & it is sealed but it's a different seal than what was on Prozinc. It's silver with a round tab to pull it off. It is still 40 units. And I just realized it expries in Oct. 2012. So I just called my vet because all of the other insulins she's used lasted longer than that (trina takes 6 months to use a bottle) & my vet said that because Wedgewood compounds it that it only lasts 3 months. This totally stinks!!! I'm wondering if I should try to order it through 1-800 pet meds for now & return this Wedgewood one to the vet. And maybe in 6 mths. the supplier will have things squared away. Hmmmm.
Thank you everyone for your help!
Missy
 
I had a chat with my vet last month, and she has always (since it became available) prescribed compounded bovine PZI (that's what Bob had). There were two major sources for it. BCP and VPA labs, both in Texas. There were also smaller labs that made and sold it.
A couple of months ago, she said she had to switch to Prozinc (the rDNA insulin). VPA was the place she had always sent her clients to to buy it, and she could no longer get it from them. It was rarely available from BCP, so rather than have her clients not be able to get insulin when they needed it, she decided to use Prozinc instead. Several people here, and she, have said that it has become hard to get Prozinc now because it is "always on back-order".

My guess is that with the old compounded PZI being harder and harder to find, many vets are doing the same thing my vet did, and because of that, Prozinc from Boehringer can't keep up with the orders?

Now, it appears that there are also compounded human rDNA versions of "PZI" available. They can't call it "Prozinc" because that is the name that Boehringer sells theirs under.

So, there are two completely different compounded insulins available (although I think the bovine type is just about gone from the market). After reading what I've read tonight, I think I would stay away from any form of compounded PZI. The problem with compounding in general is consistency in product quality. I'm going to include a couple of links.
This is the information from Wedgewood. They make a compounded human rDNA version of PZI
http://www.wedgewoodpetrx.com/learn...amine-zinc-insulin-pzi-for-dogs-and-cats.html
The PZI described on this page is compounded with recombinant human insulin. PZI was recently approved by the FDA for use in cats. When the appropriate form or dose of this drug is not available through a veterinary pharmaceutical manufacturer, it may be compounded by a specialty pharmacy. PZI is also used to treat diabetes in dogs and is considered accepted practice in veterinary medicine.

These links are pages by Dr. Mark Peterson, and he explains the difference between the Boehringer product and the newer compounded products and why they are inferior:
http://endocrinevet.blogspot.com/2011/09/q-diabetic-cat-on-compounded-insulin.html
I could not agree more about switching to ProZinc, the PZI insulin FDA-approved for use in cats (1). I do not recommend ever using compounded PZI products because of the fact that potency can vary greatly from batch to batch (2). It's difficult enough to regulate a diabetic cat without the additional variable of the insulin changing its potency every time the owner buys a new bottle. I feel that it’s far better to get manufactured insulin that has external quality control standards applied to it.

As far as the transition from compounded PZI to ProZinc, I would recommend dropping the ProZinc dose back down to 2 units BID. Then I'd wait a weeks and make additional dose adjustments based upon the cat's clinical status (activity, appetite, water consumption and urination) and a glucose curve, if you feel it's necessary.
What I found nice was that this vet has a link to "Binky's Page" there.
http://endocrinevet.blogspot.com/2012/06/characteristics-of-commercially.html (this was published just last month)
Currently, an FDA-approved human recombinant PZI product (ProZinc, Boehringer Ingelheim Vetmedica, Inc.) http://www.prozinc.us/) is commercially available for use in cats and has been reported to result in clinical responses comparable to those achieved with PZI of bovine and porcine origin (2,3). Because of the high cost of commercially manufactured PZI, alternative products have been made available to veterinarians by compounding pharmacies.

The purpose of this study by Scott-Moncrieff et al (7) was to evaluate the quality and consistency of several compounded PZI products and compare them to the commercially manufactured PZI insulin. Moreover, this study was designed to determine if compounded PZI would be as reliable as the commercially manufactured PZI product.
What I can't find anywhere is a list of the 12 labs that the compounded products were made in.
My Bottom Line:

Protamine zinc insulin is a complex protein, requiring special expertise to manufacture. The long duration of PZI is attributable to the complexing of insulin with zinc and protamine in precise proportions to form a precipitate, which is released slowly from the subcutaneous tissues after injection (5,6).
It is easy to imagine why a compounding pharmacy may not be able to manufacture PZI insulin, especially insulin that is safe to use and consistent in concentration, onset of action, and duration of the insulin effect. To be honest, I find it more amazed that a compounding pharmacy could produce an insulin product that worked at all!

However, in this study by Scott-Moncrieff (7), a number problems were identified in compounded PZI preparations, included the following:
Lack of an expiration date or lot number on the vial
Lack of identification of the species of origin (bovine, porcine, or human)
High endotoxin concentration
pH below or above the recommended range
Low total insulin concentration
Zinc concentrations below or above acceptable limits
Variability in insulin concentration among vials from a single compounding pharmacy
Variability in insulin concentration among different compounding pharmacies that had the same labeled concentration
Unacceptably high concentrations of insulin in the supernatant.
This study was not designed to identify the clinical consequences of these problems with the use of compounded PZI insulin in cats. However, such deficiencies would likely contribute to poor glycemic control in cats treated with compounded PZI. Other problems that may be seen would include changes in the onset and duration of insulin action, hypoglycemia due to inadvertent insulin overdosage, or fever due to endotoxin.

Based on the results of this study (7), it is clear that compounded PZI insulin cannot be recommended. Regulating diabetic animals is difficult enough without having to deal with variations in insulin quality and potency every time we buy a new bottle. I believe that it’s best to use a FDA-approved insulin preparation that has external quality control standards applied to it.

Remember, a bad insulin is almost worse than no insulin at all.

I think I'd stay away from compounded products, and I'm really glad that I only had to buy it once, so I didn't have to worry about batch consistency while I was given bovine compounded PZI to Bob.

Carl
 
Oh my gosh, now I am very scared to use the new insulin I was given from Wedgewood. I have enough Prozinc to get me through next week. So I think I will try to order Prozinc online. I wonder why it's available to get online though. You would think those places would be running out of it too. I guess I will try to order it from 1-800 pet meds. I've never done that before, I wonder if a prescription is needed. And I wonder if my vet will let me return the insulin from Wedgewood. I really wish Boehringer could get caught up in manufacturing it & distributing it!
Thank you very much!!!!!
 
i think you will need a script for it from 1-800, i would think the vet would give you one.

as far as why they have it and the vet doesn't, because big companies can buy alot more of it at one time then a little vet's office can. thus they tend to have a decent supply of it already on hand when something like a shortage happens, and they get better prices than the vet anyway. kinda like when the old PZI was announced as being discontinued. people were having a hard time getting it from their vets fairly quickly but could still get it from places like Medicine Man pharmacy pretty easily
 
You might want to share that info about wedgewood and compounding with your vet? Maybe they aren't aware of any issue with it.

Cindy got it right, I'm sure. PetMeds buys in bulk, so they have stockpiles of it.
 
Carl and Cindy are correct. You will need an Rx sent to 1800PetMeds. You can either get your vet to send it for you, or go pick it up and mail it to: 1441 SW 29th Ave Pompano Beach, FL. 33069. (Not as fun as just picking it up, which is another reason I'm working to switch to Lantus).

When you order the ProZinc, 1800PetMeds will ask you to verify your vet information and ask if you are sending an Rx. I would recommend choosing yes, get it in paper form from your vet, and just send it in yourself. I found this led to quicker processing time. Once they verify/fill the prescription, it'll be at your door, near ice, the very next day.

Good luck!

R
 
Thank you everyone sooo much for all the info.! I think I"m going to call the vet Monday morning & talk to her about ordering it online. I'll call 800 pet meds 1st just to confirm that they do have it in stock. I sure hope the vet lets me return the wedgewood insulin. Thanks again!
 
So I just talked to my vets office about ordering from 1 800 Pet Meds. The tech. said she would never order insulin online in fear of the shipping method not keeping it cold enough. So I called pet meds & they said they overnight it for $19.99 & it is packed in dry ice. The vet tech said she would still be cautious about ordering insulin online. She recommeded using the Wedgewood pharmacy PZI insulin. I also told her that Prozinc has a much longer expiration date than the PZI from Wedgewood & that it takes Trina 6 months to use a bottle. I'm not sure what I'm going to do yet regarding which insulin to go with. Has anyone had problems with ordering insulin online?
I almost forgot to mention, the tech. said she is going to call WEdgewood to see if the insulin can be made in smaller batches for Trina. And would also ask them if the insulin would last past the expiration date.
Thanks,
Missy
 
Hi Missy,

I can vouch for 1800PetMeds. I've ordered from them at least 6 or 7 times. Each time the package came adequately packed and chilled, and came on time, overnight through FedEx with a tracking number. It was packed in a mini foam cooler, with ice packs, and the insulin was well packed. Temperature seemed to be within acceptable ranges (not too hot, not too cold).

I wasn't home testing then, so I guess I can't tell you if I got any bad batches, but I noticed no visible change between 1800PetMeds ProZinc and the ProZinc I got directly from the vet. Conceivably, vets are also receiving it via mail, so I don't see the difference, really.

1800PetMeds has been around a while and seems pretty reputable. My guess is they'd also let you return it if you suspect an ineffective batch.

Just my two cents...

R
 
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